trashhaloTwitter's new TikTok copycat is filled with animal cruelty videos. Elon calls content "Edgy"
Why is everything to do with this story completely unsurprising.
CookieJarObserverElon wanted a worse version of 4chan, Elon gets a worse version of 4chan...
Did he? Is that even possible?
4chan doesn’t fuck with animal abusers. They fuck their lives up and doxx them.
pizza_rolls4chan posts plenty of animal abuse videos because they think it's funny to make people watch them accidentally
All social media is filled with animal cruelty.
There's so many pictures and videos of cut up animal corpses with people going "yum" in the comments..
There's so many pictures and videos of cut up animal corpses with people going "yum" in the comments..
I don't get how I never see that on regular Twitter.
You've never seen any posts containing meat?
It's a too bad that you weren't more clear than your first post, people almost took you serious
Why wouldn't it be serious?
Meat is cut up animal corpses.
Humans can easily thrive without meat so it's clearly abusive to kill for profit/taste.
MelpomeneWith respect, this approach does nothing to convince people to reduce their meat consumption, and in fact alienates people who might otherwise be on the fence about reducing their meat intake.
We get told this literally no matter how we approach the subject lol.
Which approach is it you think I'm using here and why is it ineffective?
Which approach worked on you?
You've been hostile ("reactionary fucks") and you've hijacked the broader discussion referenced in the article (Musk's Twitter showing terrible videos including human death, animal cruelty, etc) to make a point about meat consumption generally versus videos on Twitter showing the intentional and purposeful infliction of pain on animals for pleasure.
My meat consumption is down quite a bit. Information on substitutes, good recipes, studies on the intelligence of (for example) squid and such have shifted me into eating less meat. While I'm sure you'd prefer people not eat meat at all, convincing 5 people to cut their meat consumption 50% is better than convincing 0 people to cut their meat consumption 100% , no?
("reactionary fucks")
After my comments were downvoted to hell lol.
I've not hijacked anything, I contributed to the conversation and everyone lost their minds because they don't wanna think about the animal abuse they support every day.
Would I prefer that 5 people free half of their slaves versus no one freeing any slaves? Of course, why would I want everyone to stay enslaved if I could free some and continue to work to free others? Would you prefer that everyone who is currently a slave remain enslaved until we convince the entire world to free their slaves?
I think they more prefer to focus on the issue (the state of Twitter) in a post about Twitter, versus going off on tangents that would otherwise make for interesting conversation.
Would you prefer people advocate for freeing all slaves or "slave free monday"?
That you literally made this argument is sad and gross. You just argued that people shouldn't fight to free all slaves. What the actual fuck? You literally made an argument to not fight against slavery because it's hard
The "reactionary fucks" was in response to hostility. Hijacking broader topic? I'm sure you're on reddit complaining about John Oliver taking over the broader topic that is generally on r/pics. I'll let you ruminate on that until you see the obvious point.
I'm sure in history some abolitionists wanted to get rid of slavery all together, but just minimizing the number of slaves is better than nothing right so they shouldn't have been so absolutist. At least according to your own argument unless you admit to being hypocritical or simply not understanding the argument of those you're responding to. You can't be neither though.
You're putting forth either bad faith arguments or extremely toxic ones, under the guise of polite society. It's kind of sickening if you aren't actually intentionally doing it.
This is kind of funny, cause it's the same approach the toxic right takes against progressives. "Be nice to us cause pointing out the things you do makes us get angry instead and won't convince us." It'd be ridiculously hilarious if it weren't so sad at the same time. This is the most subtly toxic response you could have had.
reric88🧩Come on, guy, are you farming for an argument? You aren't helping your case by being abrasive
nackmack@NotAPenguin I and many other people cannot absorb plant based sources of iron and vitamin b. The most bio available sources of these is organ meats. I also struggle to digest most plant fibers. Humans easily thriving without meat is an overly broad statement that ignores individual medical histories.
DioNo, they're incapable and whingy.
You know, I really wish you were clearer in your OP so I wasn't dragged in to a vegans discussion
Oh no you had to think about what happens to the animals you eat for a few seconds!
I didn't say I eat animals, chief.
Oh no you had to think about what happens to the animals you other people eat for a few seconds!
Eating animals isn't the problem, necessarily. It's how the animals are grown and raised like crops is the problem. I have a weird stance on this that looks very contradicting. Humans are animals, and we are engineered to include meat in our diets. However, I don't agree with how the majority of us access that meat.
I'm a strong believer in hunting for food, not sport. If you're going to eat an animal, you should work for it. And be thankful. Doesn't matter what beliefs you hold, you owe thanks to what the animal has provided you.
Meat farms are disgusting. But there's no way they will ever go away. They're much too profitable for companies to give up.
How do you humanely kill an animal who doesn't need or want to die?
You hunt it. Not as a sport. Give the animal a fair chance, and even then it's not a fair fight, so be thankful for what's been provided
Killing when we don't have to is cruel, doing it in the forest doesn't make it better, we can just eat plants.
We are animals engineered to eat meat. It is natural for humans to do so. Killing an animal has nothing to do with morality. How it's done does
We are animals who happened to mutate to be able to thrive with and without meat, we're omnivores.
If we are animals and killing animals has nothing to do with morality I can kill you with no consequences and without feeling bad yeah?
Like I said, why you do it and how it's done matters. What's your reason for killing me? For this discussion of course.
Let's say I thought your corpse would taste good and I killed you painfree and instantly.
Then that's not a good reason. "Because it's good" doesn't justify the kill. For survival? Sure, I'd give that a pass, even though I'd defend myself. I would understand the situation. And people have done this.
If you have this "no-kill" stance for animals, you need to have it for everything, including insects. I'm not saying you don't, because I don't really know, but I do know that's often overlooked or ignored.
A life is a life.
It's literally the same argument you're using.
You don't need to eat animals for survival.
I don't kill insects on purpose.
Yes a life is a life and shouldn't be wasted because you think corpses taste good.
108Hell yes, we moved on to canabalism.
EatALimeDo people post much food content on Twitter? I never really used Twitter other than when news stories included tweets so I have no idea what's popular out there.
Its become mostly far-right wing spam.
Think if 4chan trolls and stormfront trolls had a bastard child.
This is not the mental image I wanted before I finished my coffee this morning.
Yes there's no difference between a picture of a steak and fries on a plate, and a kitten being tortured then burned alive. Absolutely the same thing.
They're both clearly abuse, the steak used to be a living being who was tortured and killed for profit/taste.
Don't play dumb, people are downvoting you because you pretend that seeing a picture of a steak evokes the same feelings as seeing a video of a kitten being tortured to death.
A steak is literally the cut up corpse of a cow
Right. And do you have the same emotional response when seeing a picture of a steak and when seeing a video of a kitten being tortured and then burned alive?
Both are obviously terrible but at least people agree when it's a kitten getting abused, when it's a cow people are cheering it on which is terrible to witness.
For people who aren't hypocritical or suffering from cognitive dissonance, it is kind of the same. Sure it's somewhat different, it's just the after picture of torture and not active torture. There's a reason laws prevent videotaping inside slaughterhouses. Cause it would turn off so. many. people. "How the sausage is made" is a phrase for a reason. Having statistically increased suicide rates in the industry speaks volumes.
Sure it's somewhat different, it's just the after picture of torture and not active torture
Ok so it's different, got it. For a second I was concerned that ya'll were really getting distressed when exposed to a picture of a meal, in the same way a video of an actively tortured animal would distress most people.
So you know they're different, and yet pretend they're the same to give yourself a moral high ground. Kinda hypocritical. Or do you suffer from cognitive dissonance?
Not to vegans, they're clinically insane.
Why is it better to kill a cow for profit/taste?
Both scenarios are needless killing of animals which is obviously terrible abuse.
Is caring about animal abuse insane?
Ah well, I am not big on veganism so I've no comment on this topic further.
MrsEavesWhoa - I’ve been reading this discussion and I went to look at what community it federated from, and I was really surprised to find it was Beehaw. I think this discussion has gotten very heated on both sides (which I understand, I’m vegan myself), but name calling doesn’t move the conversation forward. I notice you’re coming from kbin.social too - this is just a gentle reminder from a fellow kbin visitor to keep Beehaw’s community guidelines in mind as you’re visiting, and participate in debate with respect. I love the content and community here, and I would hate for our instance to be defederated from Beehaw because we’re not practicing awareness of the community we’re participating in and their guidelines.
Found the Vegan...
paolNo one thinks animal slaughterhouses aren’t cruel. It’s just some are OK with cruelty if it doesn’t affect how people treat them.
TheRtRevKaiserFolks, there is important, valid discussion to be had about meat eating both from ethical an environmental perspectives. I'm not sure that !Technology is the place to have that discussion, however.
More importantly, this thread was not the way to discuss these issues, particularly on Beehaw. The behavior in this thread was not nice, and is not the way that these types (or any type) of discussion should be conducted.
I just made a comment about animal cruelty on social media, in a thread about animal cruelty on social media.
Sadly speaking up for the animals provokes angry responses in many people.
I'm not saying that you are solely at fault for the thread getting out of hand, but I hope we can agree that when things devolve to the point that we're talking about murdering other users and eating their corpses that the discussion has probably gotten out of hand.
I think there are ways of discussing even controversial topics without the conversation spinning out of control, but I know that this topic in particular touches a nerve with a lot of folks. Just please try to be mindful of whether you're escalating or deescalating the argument in the future.
It's of course hypothetical, and I think, totally within reason, it's a thread about animal abuse.
It's one of the problems we run into when speaking up against animal abuse, people call us extreme when we are really just being up front about what happens in reality.
I try to keep it civil and respond matter of fact and explain but it can be hard when you get so much toxicity thrown back at you, all because you stand up against animal cruelty.
It’s of course hypothetical, and I think, totally within reason, it’s a thread about animal abuse.
Hypothetical or not, I'm telling you that it's not acceptable for this instance.
I understand you want to keep it civil here and think it's a great goal but what you're saying would keep us from discussing serious subjects.
When there's context which explains why something that sounds extreme is brought up you should look at the context, not just react to what you think is extreme.
I don't think disallowing thought experiments/hypotheticals is positive.