leifJun 22, 2023
So the billionaires’ families are gonna get billed for all of this like the time my family got billed for my ambulance ride, right? Right?
Show threadxanatax 🐰Jun 23, 2023

@studiofox … right? I’m thinking this over … but shouldn’t we, basically just liquidate OceanGate to repay Search & Rescue? 😘 also, we should spend a few $$ on the Coast Guard to upgrade for submarine rescues. 🤷‍♀️

This rescue effort was Great, but not well prepared, in advance. Should be Coast Guard units ready to do this … like, in all territorial waters, 24/7? especially, as we start running more, and more civilian submarines?

Show threadleifJun 23, 2023

@xanatax the more that comes out now the more ludicrous this is. The navy reported the implosion sound to the coast guard on Sunday so that had a very good idea that the sun was smushed. However, for *reasons* they deployed all the things plus called in private crews. Meanwhile, the coast guard is releasing cryptic ass statements like “until the time is up we have act like this is a search and rescue”.

Ugh.

Like, yeah, I’m down with having a bunch of subs ready to go off and explore and save people and things but man. Transparency.

Show threadxanatax 🐰Jun 25, 2023
@studiofox … wow, yeah, and also … I can imagine being like, Navy Crew, getting these orders, and reading between the lines … basically this is a huge impromptu drill. we’ll play, “let’s pretend.” — and part of it is, “people are watching, we’ll look like huge jerks if we don’t.” — their loved ones were given false hope, but didn’t feel let down. rescue/recovery will do that … we don’t KNOW, so, regardless, until we can PROVE it, try to rescue! a Rescue culture thing. 👍
Show threadxanatax 🐰Jun 25, 2023
@studiofox … Ambulance Paramedics will do this sometimes, if they can, btw. 🤫 Traffic Fatality, but family are watching … they’ll maybe do CPR until they get the body in the Ambulance, and get on the road … family sees the busy effort and isn’t as traumatized. make a Doctor at the Hospital declare the patient “Dead on Arrival” to the ER, rather than just leave a body on the road, in front of their fam. 🤷‍♀️
Show threadxanatax 🐰Jun 25, 2023

@studiofox … follow-up, just b/c I said liquidate OceanGate. 🤣 Can I buy all their old subs tho? These things *ARE* “safe-enough,” as long as they never go deeper than people can just SCUBA away from. The tech seems really, quite good, down to 100m, and not-too-bad down to 250m.

4km was waaayyy to arrogant, without lots of lab testing. … but this DIY janky tech, basically fine at SCUBA depth! (a) actually, for real, it’s okay at 100m. (b) at least the exit strategy is obvious!

Show threadxanatax 🐰

@studiofox … I can imagine these things being “safe-enough,” anywhere the actual sea-floor, or lake-bed is <125m. So, even if it sank to the bottom, won’t be much risk. Also, that shallow, we can just keep it attached to the support ship. 🤣🤷‍♀️ We can “hard-wire” things at that range. … including a crane to pull it up, if needed.

Waaaayyy, too greedy, … diving deeper than SCUBA can rescue. but interesting to learn this cheaper tech kinda works, when shallow-only mode!

Jun 25, 2023 at 11:09pmWeb
Show threadleifJun 25, 2023
@xanatax the fact that it made the trip several times over the past few years is what amazes me.
Show threadxanatax 🐰Jun 26, 2023

@studiofox … the people who get it, know how to read exponential / log-scale charts. so, not most of us. 😢

also, stress-fractures … the “crush-depth” rating of this carbon-fibre style seems to decline a fair bit with each cycle. so, this design of subs could be described as “single-use disposable.” 😬 thanks capitalism. 🤦‍♀️ at serious depth, it’s only really safe for the 1st or 2nd use, then recycle it. 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ we’ve never done this before, so there are no clear rules. 🤦‍♀️

Show threadleifJun 26, 2023

@xanatax

for whatever else can/will be said about Stockton Rush, I heard him talking about having a future under the sea (ie. living, etc.) and I have to say I've always loved that idea.

And really, however stupid the design, etc. of the titan was, I'm not exactly opposed to crazy inventors doing wild things and risking death. There obviously is a history of that being how breakthroughs happen. My major problem with this and other things (space tourism) is that the urge to make a buck from it usually comes at the cost of safety.

Be daring with yourself but cautious with others.

Show threadxanatax 🐰Jun 26, 2023

@studiofox … “Be daring with yourself but cautious with others.”

HARD agree. 😳 and/or “careful” for “cautious” there? … some of BOTH … but full of CARE. 🥺

oh, yeah, I have been *TOLD* by capitalists:
“careful” 👍 YES! 💜 care!
“cautious” 🤬 NO!

these folks disregard “caution,” as a rule, sadly, but they hella should use CARE for passegers as their $$ pitch, and should PROVE IT, with lab tests. or just go home.

it’s worse than *just* that … but, at least that bad.