RabbitholeJun 25, 2023

Does anyone else think the being seen as weak and capitulating to Prigozhin here is basically a death sentence to Putin?

Doing that has to have just put SO MUCH blood in the water for every internal agency/power-block with aspirations of taking him down and replacing him.

Apparently all you need is 20,000 men and Putin's defenceless...

My opinion is that this is going to cause chaos.

The fact that Putin didn't have Wagner immediately atomized on the spot suggests that he wasn't powerful enough to do so. Not a statement that someone in Putin's position would want to make, I would think.

Show threadronaldtemp1

Of course we both are speculating without any proof, I am also merely speaking of my gut feeling.

I have been thinking that the rhetoric of saying Putin is weak because Prigozhin was able to momentarily rebel is kind of wishful thinking. I think weak is a pretty strong word.

If Putin is as weak as we think he is, Prigozhin would have continued to march towards Moscow already.

At the same time, if Putin is as strong as we think he is, his army would have reached Kyiv with a new regime installed already.

Hence the truth should be lying somewhere in between for now.

When new weapons arrive on site, I expect things to change.

Jun 25, 2023 at 7:49amWeb
Show threadRabbitholeJun 25, 2023

Clearly, if Prigozhin marched, it's because he thought it as having a valid chance of success. He left because he was paid what he wanted, be it money or power, etc. Putin, notably capitulated

He did not carpet bomb the fuck, so to speak, out of the traitors. Those threatening his reign. It tells much for those who wish to hear.