GalacticLasers

YSK: You can view upvote and downvote information through kbin

https://sh.itjust.works/post/361524

YSK: You can view upvote and downvote information through kbin - sh.itjust.works

If you are browsing through https://kbin.social/ [https://kbin.social/] or whatever just click on “more” then activity. There you’ll see info like boosts, reduces (downvotes), and favorites (upvotes?) Works with all instances for lemmy or kbin material

Jun 23, 2023 at 9:59amWeb
Show threadIvyy@LWJun 23, 2023

Is it the same for Lemmy?

Or for Kbin users when they visit Lemmy?

Show threadBleakBluetsJun 23, 2023

On Jeroba, I can see upvote and downvote info on posts or comments that I've made or that I've downvoted (but not upvoted, for some reason). Otherwise that info is obscured behind the generic "point" value which is the net total of upvotes vs downvotes.

As a result, sometimes I'll downvote a post or comment just to see the upvotes vs downvotes, them immediately undownvote it again.

Show threadGalacticLasersJun 23, 2023

It's who upvote and who downvoted that is available through kbin so for you on this comment

https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/82174/YSK-You-can-view-upvote-and-downvote-information-through-kbin/comment/347561/favourites

Show threadIvyy@LWJun 23, 2023
That's interesting, I didn't know it, it could also be a bit dangerous for toxic users.
Show threadbabajeeJun 23, 2023
indeed. I dont thing this is sane. At least should be optional
Show threadIvyy@LWJun 23, 2023
Exactly.
Show threadGalacticLasersJun 23, 2023
You can see the information through kbin but not through lemmy that I know of. So for your comment it is https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/82174/YSK-You-can-view-upvote-and-downvote-information-through-kbin/comment/347422/favourites
Show threadbabajeeJun 23, 2023
what ever it is, I dont like it. Nutters will find all ur history and chase you all over the fediworse for stupid reasons. We need some anonymity pls
Show threadIvyy@LWJun 23, 2023

I think the same, but it won't be fixed since that's how activitypub works: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3291

Kbin dev said it won't fix this as it wouldn't be easy (one user proposed to hide votes for Kbin when posts and comments come from Lemmy): https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/issues/3

The problem here is how Kbin handles the information obtained from Lemmy, I guess one way to solve this could be to block interoperability between Lemmy and Kbin.

Show threaddystopJun 23, 2023
I can see this information on Lemmy without jumping through hoops... Is this meant for kbin users?
Show threadhardypartJun 23, 2023
How?
Show threadGalacticLasersJun 23, 2023

Do you mean being able to see users who upvoted or downvoted you? I'm not aware of where that option is available through lemmy.

https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/82174/YSK-You-can-view-upvote-and-downvote-information-through-kbin/comment/347745/favourites

I'm sure how to access that through lemmy. When expanding I only see extra options like message, report, block, save, and view source.

Show threadretiolusJun 23, 2023

That's true, I don't think it should be allowed.

Show threadgoodhunterJun 23, 2023
Why not? If you are not willing to show colour, the simply don’t vote.
Show threadrandompersonJun 23, 2023
I think he/she meant visibility of favourites and not the voting.
Show threadTheEntityJun 23, 2023
Voting and marking as favourite is one and the same here.
Show threadKichaeJun 23, 2023
Upvotes are favourite, and downvotes are "reduces".
Show threadOKbinBuddyChicaneryJun 23, 2023
Because we can have better privacy without discouraging engagement.
Show threadPons_AeliusJun 23, 2023

I see the visibility as a great positive.

How is my privacy affected if my votes are visible?

Show threadNielloJun 24, 2023
It affects those who don't want their votes visible and for random stranger to track their activities. That's why this is better as an opt in for those who want them and have them be invisible for those who don't want to share it. Think of how you can set your Youtube playlists like favourites to private or unlisted.
Show threadGalacticLasersJun 23, 2023
I think it is fine, since likes on twitter have been public. People just need to change their habits on upvoting and downvoting that they got used to when they were on reddit. So need to get adjust to how people would go and downvote whatever comment they disliked and move on. Now that stuff is public, so maybe it can help against brigading?
Show threadspritebloodJun 23, 2023
I'm more concerned about the more toxic people having access to the names and profiles of people who downvote them. Reddit had a lot of crazies, and it seems like a good tool for targeted harassment. Not to mention, what's stopping them from having alt accounts on different instances and continuing even after they've been blocked or even banned on one account?
Show threadGalacticLasersJun 23, 2023
That is valid. It's part of why I wanted to make people know about how upvoting and downvoting works so they can be more mindful about how they use it.
Show threadKichaeJun 23, 2023

Report harassment to admins. This isn't Reddit. On commercial social media, harassment is just "high engagement", and so there's incentives to not immediately remove harasser. That's not true here.

Trust admins to take out the trash. If they don't, find a new instance with an admin who will and don't look back.

Show threadPupBiruJun 23, 2023
the information must be public for activitypub to work properly. not exposing it through the UI just means people are less likely to be aware that the information is not private
Show threadDoucheAsaurusJun 23, 2023
I disagree, but I'm telling you here instead of downvoting you. See how that works?
Show threadfuboJun 23, 2023

Anyone can stand up their own instance, subscribe to remote communities, and start receiving all the data necessary to show those communities. That includes posts, comments, and votes too.

Every instance operator is in control of a database containing all the activity for communities that instance's users are subscribed to. They can do whatever they like with that data. That's a consequence of how federation works.

The protocol as it stands today is also generally vulnerable to any malicious instance. A malicious Lemmy server could emit spam, send out bogus votes, or alter its users' comments after the fact (ahem, spez) and disseminate the modified versions. The main tool that other instances have to deal with a malicious instance is ... yup, defederating.

Show threadfunchordsJun 23, 2023
What's the difference between a favorite and a boost?
Show threadvaguerantJun 23, 2023
A boost is like a Twitter "retweet", it reposts the content to the booster's personal timeline for people who follow them to see. For example, right now, two people have boosted your question. If you go to "more --> activity" you can see who boosted you, go to their profiles and find your comment "What's the difference between a favorite and a boost?" on their respective profiles under boosts.
Show threadVery_Bad_JanetJun 23, 2023
Also, at least in kbin.social, it allows the user to save the post/comment (i don't know how to bookmark otherwise).
Show threadJohnEdwaJun 23, 2023
(post) upvotes are actually your favourites - https://kbin.social/fav
It's a bodge from when kbin and Lemmy started federating with each other and had to merge their systems. Before that boosts were the kbin upvotes, but they aren't used on Lemmy.
Log in - kbin.social

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Show threadphoenixdigita1Jun 25, 2023

Another important difference is the "reputation score" for each user profile.

  • Favourites (up arrow) on posts and comments do not contribute in any way to reputation.
  • Reduce (down arrow) does reduce your reputation by 1 point
  • Boost (bottom of comments) increases your reputation by 1 point.

I understand the reasoning why the devs separated favourites and boosts but your average user (especially reddit refugees) do not understand this. I think that reputation should also include favourites in the calculation.

I personally use reputation as an indicator that I'm contrbuting in a postive way to a community not really as a winning "fake internet points" thing.

Show threadernestJun 23, 2023
That's true, it is visible. But this information is public, and anyone who has their own instance also has access to it. The interface is consistent with Mastodon and other platforms where you can view likes and boosts. There are several ways to improve this - completely hide this information in the threads section, hide the activity of users from remote instances, or exclude Lemmy's instances from the activity... but still... It's just covering up one's eyes.
Show thread_MoveSwiftlyJun 23, 2023
Could you please add a "Why YSK:"? It's rule #2. :)
Show threadzeppoJun 24, 2023
this feels like the physics definition of 'information'