UrbenLegendTearing protocol merged for XWayland. Wayland gets closer to being suitable for gaming purposes
NyanixThat's amazing!!! Great news! Now just need the option to disable viewport suspension, I'd be on it 100% of the time
What’s viewport suspension?
I'm not sure if it has a different name, and I apologize if I'm saying things you already know. Viewport is basically just what's visible on your screen.
Wayland, for optimization and security, suspends apps not visible on your screen. Normally, this is a really great feature, but it becomes problematic for me.
For instance, I'm playing an mmo, I keep a browser open on another virtual desktop so I can find things I need and the game doesn't alt-tab very well. While I'm on the second virtual desktop, it suspends my game, the mmo assumes I've disconnected, and logs me out. This is becoming more of an issue with most games now being live service, so I can't just queue for a game in Overwatch, then go browse on the other vdesktop.
Let's say you don't use virtual desktops. I play music from my computer while I'm cleaning the house. Screen locks, music stops. I know, I can use caffeine to keep it from sleeping, but I shouldn't have to, and what if I want to leave the room and not have to worry about what kind of damage a family member can do without having to know my login?
It's technically a good feature, and I would absolutely keep it on if it were on my work computer, but it just doesn't fit for my personal rig. It's not an optional function since it's considered a big win for security, but I'd love the option to toggle it off so I can keep using my computer the way that I want to. It may sound silly, but it drove me back to xorg, despite me otherwise loving Wayland.
I think it should be able to be toggled on a per app basis, along with a global keyboard like X has (so I could (un)mute discord or whatever without alt tabbing over). Maybe similar to how Android does things where it asks the user for permission to do something, you could make the app request for permission and maybe some helper app that forces permissions for other apps.
I can get behind that, that'd work great for me. /
I saw some app that allows certain apps force preventing suspensions, but that feels like a hacky solution, and I'd still rather be able to lock the screen, so a sort of trust or exemption to the viewport rule would be great
In what situations is this a blocker for gaming? Like, genuinely, who actually had any significant issues from it? Top 1% Counter Strike pros? I've been playing games on Wayland for ages and I never understood how anyone can think the experience is worse, let alone so bad it's unusable.
Same boat as UrbenLegend, it's noticeable when playing FPS's.
It's like the latency you experience when playing on modern game consoles, if you don't notice it, then that's great for you, but oncenyou get used to the low latency responses of PC gaming, it's really hard to go back, not so much for how it impacts how well you do, but because the latency suddenly feels like you lack control.
Most likely FPS games but probably any kind of game where you need a fast response time. I understand that some people don't notice input lag with vsync on, but for me it's unusable. I'm not even close to the "Top 1% Counter Strike pros" but when I'm playing Portal 2, CrossCode, Deep Rock Galactic, Valheim, CS Go, Path of Exile, etc, it bothers me A LOT.
FelixI know this might sound sumb to some. But I have a freesync monitor, so as long as I stay within my freesync range, I should still be completely tear free, even with V-sync disabled, right?
I found out yesterday that Wayland + VVR = laggy cursor in games
mccordI'm on KDE and setting software cursor via KWIN_FORCE_SW_CURSOR=1 fixed that for me in games like PoE where the cursor began to lag heavily if there are fps drops from like 144 to 90. If you need hardware cursor KWIN_DRM_NO_AMS=1 should also help.
What year is it!?
The year of waylan
JearsI habe been gaming on wayland for over a year and haven’t noticed any difference.
Maybe in super competitive games you may notice something but for the average gamer I think wayland has been viable for gaming for a rather long time.
It depends on your hardware. I notice it a lot on my Radeon 680M. I get bad input lag and inconsistent frame pacing. Performance matters when it comes to gaming and if Linux is to be taken seriously as a gaming platform these issues need to be addressed.
Yeah, was about to say: it's already suitable for me! Played a bunch of Steam games, as well as pirated games with Bottles.