Jeff BennerJun 22, 2023
@gruber for some marginalized people, a draw of Mastodon is the ability to create communities with moderation that ensures safety. What Bluesky or Meta joining ActivityPub means to them is the likely collapse of that safety, as they offer a large volume of new users on servers where their track record for moderating hate and violence is poor. It makes sense if those communities want to commit to a defederate and see approach. Tech journalists will be covering their trust and safety issues.
Show threadKevin Karhan 

@jeffbenner @gruber EXACTLY THAT!

Also both #Facebook and #BlueSky are not only openly tolerating but also supporting Neonazis and #NSAbook is known for snitching on users...

#AllGAFAMsAreEvil #AllGAFAMsAreSnitches #PRISM

Jun 22, 2023 at 1:38pmWeb
Show threadJohn GruberJun 22, 2023
@kkarhan @jeffbenner Bluesky is tolerating neonazis?
Show threadKevin Karhan Jun 22, 2023

@gruber @jeffbenner yes, #BlueSky literally operates a filter and mostly shadowbans them, but doesn't remove them from their platform, but rather groups them in a bubble prone to hategrooming...

And that's the problem: They.don't get yeeted off the platform.

Show threadTim BrayJun 22, 2023

@kkarhan @gruber @jeffbenner

It shadowbans them so they can't get in people's faces and with any luck don't notice, and this is better than booting them (so they'll be right back with a sock puppet) how?

Not a Bluesky fan, but c'mon.

Show threadHughsterJun 22, 2023
@timbray @kkarhan @gruber @jeffbenner FWIW, I've seen pretty much zero hate speech here since joining. In the few cases of relatively mild bigotry I've found, I've reported them and they've been gone minutes(!) later. So my impression is that booting them does seem to work here, and sockpuppeting doesn't seem to be getting around it.
Show threadJohn GruberJun 22, 2023
@hughster @timbray @kkarhan @jeffbenner Do you encounter hate speech on Instagram? I never have and I signed up for it the day it launched.
Show threadHughsterJun 22, 2023
@gruber @timbray I don't use IG so can't compare. They might be doing a good job at moderation, or it might be that their model is different enough from Twitter that trilling isn't as easy?
Show threadMatthieuJun 23, 2023
@kkarhan @gruber @jeffbenner You are misinformed. I am on bluesky and users get banned from the (one and only) server, not just shadow banned. They also check their invite tree to ban all the bad actors that they might have invited themselves.

It's not yet known how they'll moderate in a federated environment, but the bsky.social server IS moderated.

Now, I know a few nazi bubbles and last time I checked, they run pleroma and mastodon