dav01d📢Entire mod team on r/mildlyinteresting removed and locked out of their accounts after changing their rules upon community's request. (They're also switching subs BACK to SFW)
Incoming "this is always gonna happen", "i've predict this" and then the crowd who criticise them for bowing down to Reddit to keep their "unpaid job" is suddenly very silent.
somedaysoonThose are not contradictory positions. In my opinion, we all did know this was going to happen. And also, any mods that rolled over to continue doing an unpaid job just to retain some form of power are bitches.
Being forcibly removed was the best way to go out, I respect it.
And also, any mods that rolled over to continue doing an unpaid job just to retain some form of power are bitches.
Sincerely disagree about that.
If you are willing to do an unpaid job, for a company that has essentially spit in your face, than you have lower standards than me.
And if you're doing it just because you're afraid to let go of whatever pathetic little power you have established there, then your ideals don't align with mine, and I see you as a bitch.
And if you’re doing it just because you’re afraid to let go of whatever pathetic little power you have established there, then your ideals don’t align with mine, and I see you as a bitch.
Well, the problem is on you then.
For me, I respect the hell out of the mods that went down swinging, and for the ones that are not willing to burn it all down or just walk away I can definitely empathize with how they might be feeling.
Personally it has been heartbreaking to completely shut out all of the communities I was a small part of, and it must be infinitely worse for the ones that have put in all the effort.
That's the problem with people calling them bitch or loser. The moment i saw anyone calling them "unpaid mod" or "janitor" is the moment i don't argue with them, because they started in such a wrong step it's hard to even correct them.
samus12345Why is it bad to call them unpaid mods? That's exactly what they are.
I'm not the one with compromised principles.
But the one with lack of understanding and empathy.
Empathy for hypocritical mods? Listen, I know it has to be hard to leave or move a huge community you worked hard to build... I'm empathetic to that, but my empathy or lack thereof doesn't detract from my points.
Sure buddy.
any mods that rolled over to continue doing an unpaid job just to retain some form of power are bitches.
Personally, I don't believe that POV is fair. As someone who, with a small group of friends, started a sub that has grown to 100k people and is the most active internet community for a niche gaming segment - i personally think it's not that easy to judge. I have not been active on my sub in years, and I leave the job up to the new guard, but I can completely respect the decision to want to keep something you invested in building alive and a positive influence in the area it affects. It's easy to armchair QB stuff like this and judge others decisions, but to just generalize and say "better to die than to think something else is better in the bigger picture" is a bit of a cop out imo.
It's easy to judge for anyone with principles. I would have officially moved the community before shutting down the reddit community or being forcibly removed from it.
Anyone that feigned outrage or protest that stays is a hypocrite.
hard disagree. This isn't black and white, you can do some of both and that is not wrong or unprincipled. Thinking otherwise is just simple minded.
DarkWaspI’d say it’s actually a fairly black and white situation considering continuing to use Reddit is proving spez exactly right while adding more free value to them for their IPO. I would do everything in my power to move over to a different community and not give them another click ever again that they can try and monetize.
Some communities do serve an important support network for many people (things like places for closeted LGBT+ people to express themselves when they live in anti-LGBT+ areas, etc). They're sometimes more than just a place to get dopamine hit while bored at work.
For sure, but if you are a mod of that type of community, wouldn't you want to move to a platform where you have actual control? It's 3rd party apps being targeted and ad-driven policies that overthrow mods today but how are you going to protect your community if they come after you next? You can't on that platform, it's their platform, it belongs to them, they can do what they want, so if you set up your camp there, you need to think twice about it, especially if you are a steward to others.
Look at how transphobic Twitter has become recently. Look at how all these profit driven companies have fucked their users over the years, there is example after example with Google, Facebook, Twitter, Twitch, and Reddit now. It's a major reason why I got into selfhosting different services at home, and I consider us fortunate to also have alternative federated services to replace these social sites and gain some control and privacy back in a like manner.
I totally agree and have made a similar argument on Reddit in one of those spaces as well. I think it's worth purposely killing those existing communities to get people to move. Boring malicious compliance + a link to the new home is how egg_irl has been handling it and I think it's how others should as well (I have complaints about where they're moving the community to, but that's a separate issue). The mods have explicitly stated they're trying to make the sub boring to get people to leave.
But I won't insult mods of a less meme-focused support network who believes that putting up with reddit is worth it to help provide as much of a safe space on Reddit as they can. I think they may be acting in what they believe to be the best interests of others, likely at their own expense (in terms of time and sanity). Diversity of tactics are cool