chalkman

[Vote] guess I gotta make a post for this over here. Do we defederate with exploding-heads.com

https://sh.itjust.works/post/216888

[Vote] guess I gotta make a post for this over here. Do we defederate with exploding-heads.com - sh.itjust.works

My primary argument is that they post hateful content and covid conspiracies and it is irresponsible to platform this by including it in our federation. Secondly we already got rid of lemmygrad. Thirdly, there’s little to be lost in the defederation given the type of stuff being posted over there. Do as thou wilt Aye and nays pls Edit: putting the screencaps I posted below here for clarity I should probably put a content warning so CW: homophobia, transphobia, and just being a shithead. Edit 2: let’s try not to downvote people just saying nay. Unless they are making bad faith arguments we should respect their opinions even if we disagree. [https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/72a54645-d701-4ce3-9047-15ee5f3411ca.jpeg] [https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/c79d23b7-5dff-43a6-82d4-bd1bdc9c3391.jpeg] [https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/da14b7a4-9018-446e-b6bd-3481f2bd9850.jpeg] [https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/2ef3338d-d037-4457-8916-e560cc4e023a.jpeg] [https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/902f9a68-3b8f-4a41-a86c-b27d3cee9090.jpeg] [https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/7b8d3070-14fa-4d0b-a5a9-359cf361ef72.jpeg] [https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/ef0faaae-400e-4433-aca4-9cf478f1770c.jpeg] [https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/6aae164b-e7b0-4be4-b909-90086edbc389.jpeg] [https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/9a68d8d6-0b73-47a9-b62c-b3e0946a602f.jpeg] [https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/37fc0fd7-893a-4e8d-9df7-261b51d6e3d2.jpeg]

Jun 19, 2023 at 4:46amWeb
Show threadfirebreathingbunnyJun 19, 2023
If you hate free speech, hate your own first and foremost and shut up.
Show threadchalkmanJun 19, 2023
Hate speech is not free speech.
Show threadDarkwingDuckJun 19, 2023

Supreme Court disagrees with your claim. Hate speech is in fact free speech.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/06/19/supreme-court-unanimously-reaffirms-there-is-no-hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/

Speech that demeans on the basis of race, ethnicity, gender, religion, age, disability, or any other similar ground is hateful; but the proudest boast of our free speech jurisprudence is that we protect the freedom to express “the thought that we hate.”

Show threadchalkmanJun 19, 2023
This is a Canadian server, hate speech, by law, is not free speech here. Fuck off back to the circus you clown
Show threadDarkwingDuckJun 19, 2023
I love how you showcase your intolerance by dropping the veneer of civility as soon as you sense any opposition.
Show threadDerproidJun 19, 2023
Seriously, dude has a massive hate boner for anyone that doesn't 100% agree with them.
Show threadchalkmanJun 19, 2023
Dude has little tolerance for bigots and idiots who will go to bat for hate speech. If you look in this thread you can find plenty of examples of me being reasonable with people who I disagree with.
Show threadDifficult_Bit_1339Jun 19, 2023

Yeah, a bastion of civility you are.

Show threadchalkmanJun 19, 2023
Yeah, lol
Show threadDifficult_Bit_1339Jun 19, 2023

Edit 2: let’s try not to downvote people just saying nay. Unless they are making bad faith arguments we should respect their opinions even if we disagree.

This you?

Show threadchalkmanJun 19, 2023
Yeah post me being civil to prove how uncivil I'm being. Perhaps it's because you are making bad faith arguments.
Show threadDifficult_Bit_1339Jun 19, 2023

Fuck off back to the circus you clown

That's civil?

I went to huge pussy loser city and everyone knew you

That's civil?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_faith

Bad faith is a sustained form of deception which consists of entertaining or pretending to entertain one set of feelings while acting as if influenced by another.

Unless they are making bad faith arguments we should respect their opinions even if we disagree

The hypocrisy of making a comment in the OP about not down voting people that you disagree with and then down voting people you disagree with is just icing on the cake.

Show threadchalkmanJun 19, 2023
Lmao, stay mad.
Show threadDifficult_Bit_1339Jun 19, 2023

Don't worry about me, I have very thick skin.

Every time you make those little incivil jabs you damage your credibility and demonstrate that you're incapable of having a conversation like an adult. All I have to do is keep you talking.

Show threadchalkmanJun 19, 2023
Dawg, I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. You've been haunting my inbox like a ghost of a Tucker Carlson episode. I stopped caring about being civil with you, DarkwingDuck and goat days ago.
Show threadDarkwingDuckJun 19, 2023
We literally never intersected until today, bigot.
Show threadDarkwingDuckJun 19, 2023

bigot

a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

That's you buddy

Show threadchalkmanJun 19, 2023
I see no reason to be tolerant of someone justifying why they should be allowed to say slurs.
Show threadDarkwingDuckJun 19, 2023
Sounds like bigotry to me.
Show threadchalkmanJun 19, 2023
Trash take, opinion discarded
Show threadDarkwingDuckJun 19, 2023
Literal definition of bigotry, look it up, bigot.
Show threadCracks_InTheWallsJun 19, 2023
The Supreme Court of Canada, where this instance is based, disagrees with the position of the U.S. Supreme court. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Keegstra. CANLII link here: https://canlii.ca/t/2bnwz
Show threadDarkwingDuckJun 19, 2023
Thank you, I did forget this is a Canadian instance. Unfortunately it's incompatible with even free-ish speech, much less free speech.
Show threadCracks_InTheWallsJun 19, 2023

I disagree, but I'll leave it at that. Neither of us is likely to say something the other hasn't heard and I'm not in the mood to debate free speech and its reasonable limits for a well-functioning society today.

Given the apparent culture of the instance in question, a higher than average risk of Canadian criminal law being violated exists. Given the repeated request from sh.itjust.works admins that no activities be taken that risk violations of Canadian law on this instance, it stands to reason that the instance in question should be defederated from to limit the exposure to sh.itjust.works.

I have no opinion about people creating an account elsewhere and participating in defederated instances should this not sit well with them.

Show threadDarkwingDuckJun 19, 2023
Thanks for a reasonable approach. You are right about Canadian legalities.
Show threadsweetholymosiahJun 19, 2023
Nay! This is arbitrary censorship of an entire instance because they host content that disagrees with you. The support for such a measure here is more disturbing than the content itself.
Show threadKecessaJun 19, 2023
People from here are still free to go post over there though. It only prevents us from seeing their comments on our instance.
Show threadDarkwingDuckJun 19, 2023
That is not how that works at all. Why do you keep reposting the same (incorrect) comments everywhere?
Show threadDarkwingDuckJun 19, 2023
Nay