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My opinion on Beehaw registration process. What do you all think?

https://beehaw.org/post/631899

My opinion on Beehaw registration process. What do you all think? - Beehaw

There are different opinions on Beehaw’s registration process. I kind of see how some people would find it dissuasive, specially after most of us are coming from Reddit. But I still think it’s very practical, at least for the time being. Btw, this is only my opinion as a new user, I don’t know any of the admins/mods. Link to my original comment [https://beehaw.org/comment/318907].

bermuda Jun 19, 2023

yeah I think a lot of people who haven't actually done it are misconstruing it as something far more than it was. I wrote 3 sentences for each but a commenter on another instance thought I needed to write "3 essays"

eclipse Jun 19, 2023

The way I see it, it doesn't take that much longer than writing a post or even a long comment. If a person isn't willing to take the time to do that, I wonder how much they were going to contribute to the community in the first place? lol

bermuda Jun 19, 2023

reminds me of the people who got pissed when we defederated from a few instances. I guess they're just angry that they don't have access to something other people do, even if they won't use it.

Retronautickz Jun 19, 2023

They're so accustomed to centralised social media that allows them to troll and bait without caring for the people in those platforms, that, when, they find instances here, like Beehaw, that do not want to have contact with people and instances that promote that type of attitude, they feel confused and betrayed.

They expected the fediverse, Lemmy, Beehaw to be a replacement for Reddit, not only as content/link/information aggregation platform, but as a place to continue acting like they acted on Reddit with no consideration or understanding that they aren't in Reddit anymore.

The fact that many are calling Beehaw admin/mod team "snobby" "snowflakes", etc just says it all

bermuda Jun 19, 2023

The fact that many are calling Beehaw admin/mod team “snobby” “snowflakes”, etc just says it all

I even saw one that called them "oversensitive ninnies" and it was weird how they didn't make the connection as to why they defederated

eclipse Jun 19, 2023

I saw this image and I was like... "Actually? Maybe that wouldn't be so bad"

Retronautickz Jun 19, 2023

That wouldn't be a bad idea for the time being. But images like this show that these people really don't understand how the fediverse work. They would die of shock if they ever saw how long (way longer than Beehaws) the list of defederated servers is in the mastodon instance I'm in

eclipse Jun 19, 2023

I hope they really don't think we can't just type the address of other instances on our browsers and see the content... if we choose to, that is.

DarbyDear Jun 19, 2023

What's really funny about this image is that the implication is that Beehaw mods are trying to keep us from seeing content from other instances, when they've said in multiple ways that 1) if you don't agree with the decision, you can go elsewhere, and 2) it's about keeping trolls from spamming up Beehaw, not preventing Beehaw members from venturing outside of the instance. I don't even know why people think Beehaw's admin/mod team cares at all about where it's users go beyond making sure they're not trolls trying to infiltrate. They're providing a free service where they're trying to build a community, not create an Orwellian dystopia where all thought is policed. If anything, mods here have been way more tolerant of dissenting voices than I've seen elsewhere as long as those voices are civil and not actively promoting bigotry/harm.

Retronautickz Jun 19, 2023

Honestly. Zero self-awareness.

SharkEatingBreakfast Jun 19, 2023

I mean, one of my first posts here was arguing with a user who said that "using the word 'minorities' is offensive since it doesn't include everybody" and kept arguing points like that.

Then they huffed and lamented that "clearly [they were] not welcome here."

I half-expected a "so much for the tolerant left!" before they self-exiled.

Poor little guy! This place is obviously far too rough of a neighborhood for them to be comfortable!

Bowen Jun 19, 2023

I wonder how much they were going to contribute to the community in the first place? lol

Pretty much that. They're not even hard questions to answer, you could even lie. But, the day or two wait period and general approval process means you weed out a lot of the undesirables who are looking for a quick way to upset and bully people. It's a good thing.

Liontigerwings Jun 19, 2023

I answered honestly, and I think it was probably about five sentences. I’m definitely not a robot or a bully, and they still denied me. maybe it’s because I brought up developing a sports community.

bermuda Jun 19, 2023

no there's a sports community here, it might be that users aren't allowed to create new communities though

Lionir [he/him]Jun 21, 2023

Will just mention that the waiting time is not intentional. We just didn't have a deny system and that's been messing with the queue. I sincerely hope we could pass everyone within 6 hours.

Bowen Jun 21, 2023

Even so, any sort of wait tends to weed out the folks who want to troll, so it's good!

DarbyDear Jun 19, 2023

I don't know why people can't be bothered to click the "register" button to see for themselves. I've spent more time writing each individual post I've made on Beehaw than I did the questions for registration. Granted, I also read all of the literature discussing the philosophy and goals of Beehaw beforehand and had the answers in my mind by the time I saw the questions, but it was really just a line or two per prompt. Basically the bare minimum of user vetting. Imagine my surprise when I see people talk about it like we were asked for an in-depth literary analysis of the themes behind "Great Expectations" and how they can be translated to the modern world.

MyNameIsFred Jun 19, 2023

I didn’t think it was too bad. Like others I wrote 3 sentences or so basically just answering the questions honestly. I was approved fairly quickly.

wecalledhimmavis Jun 19, 2023

yeah I just wrote three bulletpoints

unhappy with reddit's recent decisions
was recommended as an alternative on a number of subreddits I browse
social values align similarly with my own

prlang Jun 19, 2023

Maybe it was because I joined during the influx but I got away with two lazy sentences. Something like, “reddits on strike and I ain’t a scab. I’ll post about geeky programming stuff.” I mean, it really does take the bare minimum

eclipse Jun 19, 2023

To me, that first sentence was enough. jk

eclipse Jun 19, 2023

The funny thing is I actually got rejected (or put in the limbo) once. After making this account and answering the questions exhaustively, I tried to make another account for foss/programming purposes exclusively (I tend to do that for privacy reasons). The second time my answers were much shorter since I didn't want to take up too much time from the admins , and I guess they weren't too convinced, haha. But no hard feelings, I just hope my username eventually frees up and I can make the account :)

eclipse Jun 19, 2023

By the way, I don't know if this is a good time/way to ask, but is it even allowed to register a second account? I tried searching if there was a rule against it, but I couldn't find anything. If it's not, I completely understand and will make another account in a different server :) (Although I would prefer it be here bc I wouldn't feel as comfortable in other instances 😢)

Pinging some of the admins, I hope you're not too busy. @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected]

ericjmorey Jun 19, 2023

If you don't already know about programming.dev or discuss.online, you may want to consider them for your second account.

eclipse Jun 19, 2023

Thanks! I didn't know about them. And genuinely curious, do these instances have good moderation/community similar to here on Beehaw?

ericjmorey Jun 19, 2023

You mentioned wanting a programming centric account, so programming.dev makes sense. They don't allow open creation of communities. They must be requested, they must be tech related (don't know if this might change). They seem to want to keep the discussions on tech and programming.

discuss.online's admin is working on creating some moderation tools for Lemmy admins. I've been chatting with him on the discuss.online Matrix server. He seems like someone that will build a good community.

Their moderation ethos are not hashed out like Beehaw, but they have both started up this month and I like the vibes so far.

If those don't work out, I'm also starting up an instance that will be up and running soon at grok.town with an ethos that largely overlaps with Beehaw. But at the moment I only have a matrix space set up at https://matrix.to/#/#groktown:matrix.org

Gaywallet (they/it)Jun 19, 2023

Why do you want a second account

lemillionsocks Jun 19, 2023

There are also some bugs that may throw you into limbo as well on lemmy. Some of them seem like insanely basic oversights like how if you pick an already taken user name it will just spin indefinitely

eclipse Jun 19, 2023

Oh yeah, that happened to me too. It won't even tell you the reason why. When I checked, I was actually surprised somebody else had already picked the username I wanted so early lol (Hi @styx@[email protected], we had the same idea haha)

@styx - Beehaw

Stewie Jun 19, 2023

Accounts are created on registration so while you may not have been approved it’s possible that is your account.

eclipse Jun 19, 2023

This it not the case, haha. I checked and they had made the account before me and had some posts/comments. So we just had the same idea, I guess

styx Jun 22, 2023

Hello there!

styx Jun 22, 2023

Hello there!

eclipse Jun 22, 2023

hey, cool username!

styx Jun 25, 2023

Thanks, yours too 😊

mizmoose Jun 19, 2023

I wrote a frikkin' essay. I wish I'd saved a copy because I was sure they were going to read it and file it under "whackadoodle: do not admit."

Retronautickz Jun 19, 2023

Beehaw's registration process is quite easy, asking you only to write a few words on why you want to join (which could just be "it seems like a nice instance"), in comparison to other registration processes I've seen and done.

I've been through registration process where to guarantee that you've read the rules and anything required would hide words in the post containing that essential content and then asked you questions of which the answers where those words. Sometimes with the addition on asking you why you wanted to join.

This (Beehaw's regiustration process) is nothing in comparison

DracEULA Jun 19, 2023

I don't get what all the fuss is about. I told them I don't like Nazis and was approved within minutes. It was not a complicated process.

Snart Jun 19, 2023

I wrote like 6 sentences. Got accepted in like 16 hours. Just said I disliked the authoritarian left on the main instance and prefered the sense of community Beehaw provides.

grehund Jun 19, 2023

Honestly, if you aren't prepared to fill out a simple text box to join the instance, I'd prefer you went somewhere else.

eclipse Jun 19, 2023

Or if you're just going to lurk... you don't need to make an account at all! As I did for the first week before deciding on whether or not to join, lmao

plazmotech Jun 19, 2023

Right? If you can’t come up with a minimal answer to a very simple question, how could you possibly contribute positively in any way whatsoever here? And why would you even want to join this instance? This isn’t meant to be a shitposting low effort instance…

SenorBolsa Jun 19, 2023

I actually really liked it as an exercise in reflection.

I probably wrote too much in mine. (Sorry mods)

eclipse Jun 19, 2023

They need to add a word limit though, I think I went a bit overboard lol

Jimbob0i0 Jun 19, 2023

I've been through a bit of an emotionally exhausting week with some personal things...

I suspect some of that might have come through on my mini essay ... uh... sorry to whoever had to read it?

But hey I'm here so....

Liontigerwings Jun 19, 2023

They asked what I thought I could add to the community and I wrote something about sports and apparently they aren't interested in that so they denied me.

Haan Jun 19, 2023

Lol seriously?

Liontigerwings Jun 19, 2023

Yes. They didn't personally ask me. It's just one of the intake questions questions.

Maybe they just wanted to go in depth? No clue

BLÅHAJ Jun 19, 2023

How long ago did you apply? I thought I got denied the first time I applied, as my first application was relatively short, but much to my surprise I got accepted several days later. It might be possible your application was unfortunately overlooked as the admins have to look at hundreds of apps per day.

alyaza [they/she]Jun 19, 2023

i know for a fact there are a lot of people in-queue who we'll be approving, so yeah

Liontigerwings Jun 19, 2023

I applied like twice. Wrote the same thing in phrasing though. I applied I think the day before the blackout first (no response) and then about like 4 days ago and got a message yesterday that I was denied and I could try to apply again another time. This first time I applied I maybe have referenced that I was fleeing reddit so maybe they didn't like me talking about it (though I'm sure it's true od like 90 percent of their users).

I suppose it's possible the denial i got was just a really late reply to my first attempt.

42069 Jun 19, 2023

Ya that place has huge dog-walking reddit mod energy. I couldn't possibly care less what their instance is doing.

StringTheory Jun 19, 2023

You’re posting on it, so you must care somewhat…

reddog Jun 19, 2023

I applied, but not sure it went through, never got beyond the spinny-submit-button. Happened a few times then found another instance :)

alyaza [they/she]Jun 19, 2023

you're probably in the queue somewhere, to be honest lol

alyaza [they/she]Jun 19, 2023

update: yeah if @[email protected] is you then your account exists; we'll get to it when we sort out the email situation which hopefully will be tomorrow because i'm tired of not being able to approve people lol

@reddog - Beehaw

fraydabson Jun 19, 2023

Awesome! I applied for beehaw the first day of the blackout. It lets me do a forgot password and I get the email so I imagine I’m in the system but not finalized yet.

reddog Jun 19, 2023

Awesome! Yeah, it's me there too. Thanks for the feedback and know that it's appreciated. No rush on my behalf -- I'm still figuring all this out and do have other fedi-accounts to feed the fix, so to speak. :)

dan96kid Jun 19, 2023

I applied for a Beehaw account earlier this week. Am I somewhere in the system?

alyaza [they/she]Jun 19, 2023

yes, as far as i can tell (assuming you registered with the same username)