judasferret‘No time to waste’: getting Australian homes off gas crucial for meeting net zero targets, report says
MountaineerIn the house that I'm renting it would mean replacing the gas hot water system and the stove.
That's not going to happen unless a law is passed forcing the owner to do so.
That's not going to happen unless a law is passed forcing the owner to do so.
Usually these sorts of things have a carrot and stick approach.
The carrot is usually a trade-up program offering rebates on a new/replacement model.
The stick is gas prices - you just turn the dial up until its too hot to bear (pun intended).
Neither the carrot or the stick effects my landlord in this case. 🤷♂️
Eventually it will, when a renter won't rent a property if it has gas hot water because its $1000/month to turn it on.
I agree they are uniquely insulated from the effects though, especially in this entirely broken rental market.
DesignateAnd unless the govt is willing to help foot the bill that wont happen either. Homeowners make up a big chunk of the voting block and no one is going to force something like that on them without some sort of funding.
hikarulsiThis requires legislations, with the gov officials mainly being self-interest serving (most country), we will all need to be French to make it happen
All I’ve got to get rid of is an old instant gas water heater and a gas stove top that isn’t very good. I would be very happy to. Been waiting for these federal incentives that we were promised last as part of the greens deal of signing the price caps.
I had to replace my hot water system a while back and was interested in changing gas to electric, but plumbers I talked to all tried to disuade me from it. In the end I changed from the existing large storage tank system which was here when I moved in and which was massively innefficient for the usage required. I didn't want another system that was heating up a big tank of water all the time for no reason, and also was under time pressure with no working hot water, so switched to an instantaneous gas system which has cut gas use by a huge amount (perhaps 25% of what it was), so this at least a more efficient system for now but it's put off getting rid of gas for a good few years. The only other gas appliance I have is a heater which is rarely used, cooking is electric.
Treevan 🇦🇺It's so interesting reading different opinions.
This article posted recently to Lemmy states that a large storage tank is a good thing.
https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/14911
Zagorathanother system that was heating up a big tank of water all the time for no reason
Shouldn't a larger system be, in at least some ways, more efficient? Since volume scales by r^3 and surface area by r^(2), a larger tank loses less of its heat to the environment.
I guess it's efficient in heating up a certain amount of water but the problem is that it was heating up far more water than I was ever using. The insulation of the tank keeps it warm to an extent, but the massive cut in gas usage suggests it was doing a lot of heating for nothing. The new one is efficient in the sense that it only heats what I need and has cut my gas usage.
Lodion 🇦🇺Here in WA, the focus needs to be on getting the power grid under control. There is currently not enough gas power generation... resulting in dirty diesel generators being spun up.
Given the WA grid can't handle current power demands, I don't think we'll be in a position to disconnect household gas for quite some time ☹
Good point. They are gaslighting us about our home gaslighting habits being the co2 problem instead of their lack of gaslighting on the power grid.
Not only would be need to swap out a gas heater, hot water, and a new stove, we would very likely need an upgraded electricity supply. Our old house has a 35A main breaker, maybe that is what was considered enough 53 years ago. I don't know what capacity the cable itself has though. Exactly how far would the carrot side of any such program go?
I just hope that it doesn't become a culture war issue here like it has in America.
Gas stoves aren't really that fast - even standard electric is faster!
Really!00:00 Intro01:32 Backstory07:15 Testing Procedure08:41 A note on CO2 and why I'm measuring it10:02 Ikea pot, 4 quarts - large gas burner17:10 Same pot...
repomonkeyYou can guarantee it will. In fact I was amazed not to find exactly that kind of response here already.
the cynic in me says this recent 'abandon gas' media blitz is more to do with clouding the message so Australians don't get angry at our natural gas being sold cheaper to Japanese consumers then to us,
SalvoWe built our house specifically to not have mains gas. Large double-glazed picture windows on the north side of the house, Solar and a Battery, decent insulation. Large capacity reverse cycle A/C with the condensers on the south side of the house.
The a week before handover, the Site Supervisor told us that they ‘mistakenly’ budgeted for “electrical assist” hot water instead of full electric. They would need to add Gas, but they would pay for the connection. We argued with them. They argued back. It escalated all the way to the CEO of the Building Company. The Site Supervisor kept insisting that it was impossible to have full electric hot water, that is was cost-prohibitive to install, cost-prohibitive to run and anyone who would not want gas hot water was a fucking idiot. The CEO explained to the Site Supervisor that his own house had Full electric, two Tesla Power-walls and an extensive solar array and hadn’t had to pay for Gas or Electricity since it was built. He then calmly fired the Site Supervisor and instructed the Regional Manager to authorise the Full electric hot water with no extra charge to us.
This is a crazy story. Most houses in northern Australia have full electric hot water. Very rare to have town gas and bottles is often painful.
We had all sorts of problems with the build. It had minimal to do with the company and everything to do with the Site Supervisors(s).
Another example was the Colourbond roof. We specifically wanted a light colour (to reflect heat in summer), with Woodland Grey gutters (to contrast with the roof and complement the render). We turned up one night after work and they had done the whole roof in Woodland Grey. We pointed out this observation and found out that the Site Supervidor had changed the purchase order because he “thought that Woodland Grey would look better”.
His suggested remedy was to repaint the roof and even came into my workplace during work hours to try to con me into authorise the incorrect roof colour.
In the end they had to tear down the Woodland Grey and re-clad in Surf Mist.