chalkmanJun 16, 2023

Hey could we defederate with explodinghead.org

https://sh.itjust.works/post/151703

Hey could we defederate with exploding-heads.com/ - sh.itjust.works

The instance seems to be mostly right wing trolls. I know defederating is unpopular but I don’t think much is to be lost in this case and it can save the mods some headaches. Edit: the response on exploding-heads.com [http://exploding-heads.com] to my reporting of transphobia. Courtesy of the “second in command” [https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/e9ef2ba8-5956-4b76-98a2-3d3b47b860bc.jpeg]

Show threadcarrotJun 17, 2023
No, don't defederate. Just because an instance doesn't align politically with your views doesn't mean that they have to be gone. And we should definetly avoid a mastodon blocklist situation.
Show threadKecessaJun 17, 2023
Why should the ground be lowered to a level that fits the criterias of bigots?
Show threadcarrotJun 17, 2023

If being bigoted is wrong, it doesn't take a genius to prove that, no?

I can disagree with everything they stand for, and think they are absolutely stupid, but god damn do they have a right to be. The mentality stemmed from twitter of "They are just so wrong I wont even listen or let them talk" is so ignorant and authoritarian. What if north korea censored people for saying anything negative about their government? That would be wrong to us, but to them it is based in logic.

The internet has become so used to banning expression, it baffles me. It used to be commonly agreed apon that every individual has a right to thought, and if they're stupid it should be easy to prove them so. Nowadays everyone is censoring everyone they dont like. Some people on the right wanting to stop LGBT content, someone in this thread wanting to censor the Matt Walsh documentary. I've watched it to hear his opinion, despite how much I may disagree with him. And it brought up some good points. If the documentary is so wrong, we should put it out there to show and publicly shame, no? Censorship is the weakest form of countering, no one is the moral authority they may think they are.

Sorry to make this so long but I am tired of people being willingly ignorant because they don't like what someone said. Have a nice day, stranger I disagree with.

Show threadeta_aquaridJun 17, 2023

god damn it, this "free market of ideas" bullshit never fucking worked

people who are bigots more often than not double down on their bigotry when it's challenged

because it's not a reasoned position they're taking; it's "Things in my life aren't that great, and I don't trust those people; I am going to rationalize to myself that that's their fault" or "I just don't like those people and I want an excuse to hurt them"

like yeah, sometimes it's genuinely not knowing, but if you're constantly proven wrong about your bigotry and you keep doing it then you, on some level, want to continue being bigoted

Show threadcarrotJun 17, 2023
You are correct. People having free ideas is never going to work if you want everyone to have the same ideas. That's called fascism.
Show threadKecessa
That's not what they're saying but hey, go on defending bigots 🤷
Jun 17, 2023 at 7:42pmWeb
Show threadcarrotJun 17, 2023
Please explain to me what I misinterpreted so I can understand better. And yes, I will defend the rights of all who want to express their viewpoints.
Show threadKecessaJun 17, 2023
They're not saying everyone should have the same idea, they're saying arguing with bigots leads to nothing because when they're proven wrong instead of changing their mind they just double down and go further down the rabbit hole. The only way to prevent that is to just not let them take part in the discussion since they're not mature or intelligent enough to do so.
Show threadSnowpixJun 18, 2023
What's that old saying... "You can't reason with somebody who is in a position they didn't reason themselves into". They're not willing to change their minds or have a real discussion, the goalposts will just be moved time and time again when their hateful ideas are challenged.
Show threadeta_aquaridJun 19, 2023

exactly what I was trying to say

rationally reasoning with bigots rarely leads to bigots abandoning their bigotry; oftentimes it leads to them latching onto something else as an excuse or rationalization for their bigotry, outright violence, or doubling down out of spite