LaserXPAnd now there are threats to remove moderators. Dying site
btw sorry if this post is pretty ugly. First post I actually made to Lemmy
FlatauIts ok, most of us are still adapting
SleepingDidn't they literally say they wouldn't force re-open sub reddit's? Suprise suprise another lie.
tbh Im not surprised they would. r/piracy is both niche and wouldnt be worth to remove mods for. Subs like r/aww or r/funny however are main parts of Reddit, and this also applies to massive game subs like r/Minecraft
HiT3kYou know, when you look at where the subscribers were and what the default subs were, I guess this shouldn't be surprising. There's a reason Lemmy/Kbin already feel more like "old" Reddit, and it's because that was always the "alt" social media users, generally a bit more tech savvy and certainly more open minded to new platforms. At some point Reddit filled up with Facebook and Instagram scrubs and I didn't even notice.
I was definitely a power user of Reddit, but I'm not sure I was even subscribed to a single default sub. Whoever was hitting up Reddit for r/aww and r/funny was probably never going to take a principled stand over API debates and the centralization and profit chasing administrative choices.
SickIcarusThere’s a reason Lemmy/Kbin already feel more like “old” Reddit, and it’s because that was always the “alt” social media users, generally a bit more tech savvy and certainly more open minded to new platforms.
Absolutely this. I was on Reddit prior to the digg migration, and Reddit definitely changed when that happened. Fortunately it wasn’t complete shit, a lot of the folks from digg picked up the reddiquette and assimilated, but there was still a sea-change for sure. And then over the years as it grew and grew it steadily got worse and worse, and I found myself unsubbing from more and more subs, then completely blocking others, then finally dropping /r/all completely - and never did grok /r/popular, man that feed was a corporate shitshow from the day it launched.
but I’m not sure I was even subscribed to a single default sub.
I certainly haven’t been, ever since the brigade to ban /r/nonewnormal - whatever your thoughts on that subs existence, watching the reddit community actively brigade to shut down a sub they didn’t like, man fuck that. I absolutely abhor blatant censorship like that. Every single sub I was subscribed to that participated in that charade I dropped like a hot potato. And then the admins, instead of following their own rules, rewarded the behavior and banned the sub (who had broken no rules, other than to go against the narrative). It was fucking Orwellian.
The dwindling continued - watching supposed time-waster subs become completely political was such a drag. Like man, I just want to see some cats doing cat shit, and now I’m mad. Fuck that, I’m out.
And then the bans… oh, you subscribe to this totally unrelated sub, so you’re banned from these subs too. Lolwut? I started wearing bans like a badge of honor - after over a decade on the site, contributing and sharing knowledge and never even getting any warnings I started racking up bans for complete bullshit - I made a game out of it: what’s the most innocuous comment I can make to earn a ban? Fun times.
Then I got bored of that, so I nuked my entire post history (having a script overwrite my comments with gibberish prior to deletion). Reddit had made it clear that “my kind” was no longer welcomed. Despite contributing to the sites growth, buying Reddit gold and Reddit merch, being exactly the type of user they had been courting, I had become persona non grata. So I lurked.
That was heartbreaking. Reddit had dwindled down to be nothing but hobby subs and porn. The magic was long gone. It was like watching a horrible remake of Weekend at Bernie’s where they kept shuffling around the corpse of a long-since-dead best friend. The worst was when there’d be a question from a user in one of my few subs left that was right up my ally - I would be eminently qualified to help, but held my tongue. Fuck that place, I refused to offer one iota of value to that God-forsaken shithole.
And now they want to take away the last thread that kept me there - my 3rd-party app, Narwhal, because of sheer greed and stupidity. I am so fucking done.
Lemmy, let’s do this shit. You remind me of that long-dead friend I’d thought was lost forever. Let’s kick Reddit right in the balls in the best way possible - by doing well.
Maybe it wasn't like that, but the only times I interacted with the nonewnormal subreddit, I was floored by the rampant disinformation and dumb AF takes by most users. I understand why most other sub wanted nothing to do with it.
Also having beehaw defederate from other big instances is kinda the same as not wanting some subreddit communities interacting with your own (ie banning you because you participate in the same space as others we don't want)
I understand why most other sub wanted nothing to do with it.
Totally fair enough. But Reddit already had a mechanism in place to deal with that - quarantine. Watching a ban-brigade take place across Reddit because they don’t like them was downright dystopian.
Did they (Reddit admins) quarantine the sub ? Or did they do nothing like most other problematic subs until the community said enough?
It was quarantined, yes.
I kinda agree but they also applied the same stuff to /r/LockdownSkepticism too which was much more reasonable.
Yeah, beehaw is acting just like the power-tripping supermods.
I never saw any post from there so can't comment.
I don't think beehaw's mods are in a power trip. They want to keep their community with like minded people and having open instances that are difficult to moderate on your own is not the best way for that. All in all, for me it's federation going right. Instead of brigading, they put it on hold for the time being
Yeah, I just wish they'd done that from the start instead of the confusing bait 'n switch.
Somebody else said it best, I think - Beehaw is using the wrong tools for what they want to be. They should have been simply a bbs-style forum instead of a federated instance.
If you want to have a curated safe-space that’s totally fine, but when you also want to be a part of a larger community then you get to deal with that larger community, for better or worse.
Difficult_Bit_1339Beehaw isn't in the wrong really. The moderation tools simply don't allow them to moderate the massive influx of new users. I fully expect them to re-federate once the moderation tools mature to the point where they can keep the quality of the communities where they want it.
I don't like that they used the nuclear option so quickly, but I understand their reasoning.
SilentStormsHopefully users can make things difficult for the scab mods.
hopefully there won't BE any users to make shit difficult.
It's not the users that will be making it difficult, spambot 1-500 is ready and willing
When are we starting to call it deddit?
I like it! Has a nice ring to it.
neo (he/him)was thinking dabbit but deddit works better, thanks
Whelp, I finally made my account, first post! Just need more popcorn! Sadly this move seemed inevitable.
OOFshootIf you're used to being a lurker, get ready to practice your creativity skills along with critical thinking and enthusiasm. Put down that popcorn and pick up a podium!
I wasn't a lurker, I commented quite a bit. I didn't really post too many posts though so I'll see if I can do more of that.
Just giving you shit. Happy to have you!
HolzkohlenEspecially for something piracy related? Yeah, fuck the corpos!
Man, I just checked the thread on /r/technology to see what people were saying. Everyone is shit talking mods - it's a complete sea change since last time I was on. Weird.
Everyone who was pro-blackout is here now.
Leaving nothing but trolls, as expected. Reddit is already dead.
That and repost bots, keeping some artificial copy of the community that used to be alive indefinitely.
John_ShepardI would say it's surprising but r/technology has been apathetic to the blackout, and that's being generous. At the same time, it shouldn't be surprising considering its top mod is a reddit admin.
halfpipeI’m surprised that more subs have been apathetic or disagreeable to a continued blackout. Everybody’s doing polls that turn into keep-us-open-because-community. As @MrJizzard said up above (how can I tag users on here?) maybe blind support for Reddit’s moves is just what happens when users are cut off from scrolling through their content.
maybe blind support for Reddit’s moves is just what happens when users are cut off from scrolling through their content.
It is. Going to the discord of a popular sub I realized that the protest is something that only a vocal minority is willing to take to its end, whatever that is. Most people either don't care or are too preoccupied that they can't kill time on reddit anymore. There's people who are advocating for removing mods just because the sub was closed, completely ignoring the fact that if it weren't for the mods the community wouldn't exist in its current state, the same mods who are the most impacted by the killing of 3rd party apps. I find it insane that people can be so self-absorbed and short-sighted, but that's just how most people are.
I was a bit stunned reading the comments on that post. They weren't just expressing displeasure with the blackout, it was more like "spez is 100% correct to kill 3rd party apps and mods are bad people". My first thought was trolls/astroturfing, but maybe the rules of the game just change that quickly when an addict isn't getting their fix.
lecorbuserprob cause everyone who agrees with the black out has left
pbjammThe /r/conservative strategy of distilling the use base down to the most ideological conformists. No dissent allowed.
spadufLet's not forget reddit has a history of using bots to create the impression that the site is more active than it is. I don't think it's at all unlikely that that's going on here.
𝕊𝕚𝕤𝕪𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕒𝕟It isn’t far fetched that they use AI-powered bots to change the common sentiment about the blackout.
This was exactly my first thought too. Afterall, the API is still free right now too, so they can use as many 3rd party bots as they want to influence public opinion.
People love to complain, but hate doing anything about it. Moving to lemmy is a bit of work, not much, but enough to deter a lot of idiots. I compare moving to anything Fediverse with moving to Linux. People will always complain about Windows doing this, Windows doing that. So stop using it coward!
That is such a great analogy. I keep trying to get my SO to join Lemmy, but he won't put any effort into learning how it works or getting used to it. I've explained to him what the fediverse is, what instances are, and what Lemmy is at least 3 times already, but then he still got confused the other day and thought Jerboa was another instance instead of an app. It's frustrating. People just love the familiar and don't want to be inconvenienced whatsoever...
Sometimes, gatekeeping can be a good thing, such as here.
roofuskitReplacing the moderation teams of 5,000 subs should go really well. Right?
tinwhiskersThere's a risk that disgruntled ex-redditors will collectively vote for the most terrible people they can find for mods, just to harm reddit and drive people here. That would be truly sad to see. Truly sad.
Edit: other appalling things I hope we don't see are people going to reddit in down times only to upvote bad comments and posts, and downvote the good ones.
The very last thing we would want to see is the mods of large subs switching between private and public mode too often, because that apparently has to change permissions on all the posts in the sub, and was why reddit had downtime when they all went dark. They may even have the wild and outrageous idea to briefly turn off private simultaneously, only to go back private as a form of malicious compliance with Huffman's warnings.
re: the second part, that's still engagement and Reddit doesn't care so long as the metrics are looking good. You're better off not interacting
Yeah, the way Musk bragged about engagement while he burned down Twitter made me wary of even loading Reddit now. No way am I giving that shithead spez the satisfaction to see some, any line go up, if it does anyway it won‘t be because of me.
Dude, like no person with self worth will apply to being a mod at reddit after such a move. It will be a really good social experiment, some social science student will make a decent thesis out of it.
jivandabeastEmbarassing, here's to hoping that lemmy takes off
AltairIt seems to be.
Make sure to join Kbin communities through Lemmy too!
how do we find kbin communities from lemmy?
Well, you really have to go there and then enter it in the search field of your instance. People keep saying its !community@server but for me that does not work. The actual link did however.
So instead of looking for [email protected], I look for https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/piracy and it works.
So instead of looking for [email protected], I look for https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/piracy and it works.
Afaik rn you have to go to kbin and look for a magazine (that's what they call communities) you want to join, then put it into the address bar in a lemmy instance as if the magazine is a lemmy community.
Well, user counts are relly stagnating. We're at 140k and I don't think it'll go much above 200k
This was the bump from the blackout.
July 1 will be the next big influx of users.
It does not seem like the lemmy servers (and mods) can handle it. There are only few major instances that allow anyone to join, and these instances are gettimg defederated by other because the new users include trolls.
I've only seen one troll, who was banned from Lemmy.world very quickly. And one political troll that I just blocked.
Can you link to the issues in the mod log?
Beehaw's power trip wasn't really justified.
SamGrowing pains. Just need to wait for everything to settle out. I've been on the fediverse for many years now and this is just the way these things go.
HighsightAnd I'm sure these new moderators would do just as good of a job as the old passionate ones! /s
We should convince them to ask for a wage.
The mods of the Apple subreddit framed it as if they were making some great sacrifice by choosing to reopen the subreddit and remain in control. Obviously, the mods that are claiming this are full of shit, it's more about the authority than it is giving a shit about a subreddit.