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Ross! at the Library

@fraying He really went to NPR to talk about how much money he wants to make off the content users give him. 🙄

"Reddit represents one of the largest datasets of just human beings talking about interesting things," Huffman said. "We are not in the business of giving that away for free." https://www.npr.org/2023/06/15/1182457366/reddit-ceo-steve-huffman-its-time-we-grow-up-and-behave-like-an-adult-company

ninavizz Jun 16, 2023

@LibraryofBabble @fraying It's called "work," Steve; the datasets are of work done by those humans, for free. So—you think its your job to make money off that free labor? Go farm sugarcane.

hugo roy Jun 16, 2023

@ninavizz @LibraryofBabble @fraying wow if that is not an indecent comment right there. (Not that this guy’s right - he’s plain wrong - but this has nothing to do with slavery imho)

ninavizz Jun 16, 2023

@hugo Land was stolen, communities dismantled, plantations built, and then either slave, indentured, or underpaid labor enlisted, for sugarcane around the world. That was the reference, not specific to slavery. VC modeled tech has evolved to have no ethics, and to exist w/o regard for extractive measures as a means to their end—which is greed. Hence, the reference. @LibraryofBabble @fraying

Stop That Jun 16, 2023

@LibraryofBabble @fraying @kissane Moderators do all that work for free, and he has the gaul to call them the “landed gentry” and talk about how Reddit shouldn’t give away all that unpaid labor for free.

Dude is really, really mad he’s not making that Facebook money.

@LibraryofBabble @fraying this data moat is part of an ML strategy. Why isn't anyone talking about that? Where do you think the LLM massive data sets originate?

@noplasticshower @LibraryofBabble because that’s just a PR strategy. Anyone running an API could make exceptions for data usage that makes the moderators lives easier. He has refused to do that. So it’s not about protecting from LLM data extraction at all.

@fraying @LibraryofBabble I am not a reddit user. But I am deeply familiar with LLMs (and LLM strategy), and it seems to me that this is about building a less permeable data moat.

@noplasticshower @LibraryofBabble if you look into what the protesters are protesting you’ll see that it has nothing to do with that

@fraying @LibraryofBabble you are not understanding my point, but that's ok.

@noplasticshower @LibraryofBabble I understand perfectly. The issue you’re raising is not why people are mad.

@fraying @LibraryofBabble the mad people are missing the point. That doesn't make the API decision any less evil. It just clarifies why it is happening for me.

Over and out.

@noplasticshower @LibraryofBabble then you’re missing the point of the protest.