FantasticFoxJun 15, 2023

Why lemmy.world should not defederate from beehaw.org.

https://lemmy.world/post/151254

Why lemmy.world should not defederate from beehaw.org. - Lemmy.world

What defederating would mean: - We won’t see beehaw.org [http://beehaw.org] posts/comments on other instances. Pros: - There is less confusion, you can’t respond to a beehaw.org [http://beehaw.org] user, thinking they will be able to see your response when in reality they cannot. Cons: - We won’t be able to see any beehaw.org [http://beehaw.org] comments/posts on other instances, so we will miss out on some comment threads and posts. It could be good to be able to see them and interact with the other users there even though beehaw.org [http://beehaw.org] users won’t see any of our content. Summary Overall, I think it is better not to defederate, but simply unsubscribe from all of their communities (and as we no longer get posts from their instance, with time these will cease to appear on our ‘front page’). beehaw.org [http://beehaw.org] users already can’t see our posts/comments anywhere so it’s not like defederating would change their experience in any way, so it wouldn’t really be retaliation and would just limit the content available to lemmy.world users. What do you think?

Show threadMiddleWeighJun 15, 2023

What happened? Why are they making this move? I think it's a bad idea to start defederating, especially this early.

Edit: How effective or practical, for lemmy.world in the future, would a voting system be for defederating? In case it comes to that for us.

Cause it seems like a very dramatic approach, with only a few people making the decision to drop a ton of content yknow.

Not sure if it's possible even, I know it comes down to our admin, but they seem pretty cool. I dunno just thinking aloud.

Show threadFantasticFoxJun 15, 2023
They said they couldn't deal with the level of abuse and spam that came from lemmy.world users. They have a much more restrictive content policy and smaller, centralised moderation team than most other instances which exacerbated the problem.
Show threadShakeThatYamJun 15, 2023
What's dumb is that if someone wanted to troll them they could just make an account on any number of smaller instances that they federate with. I mean, eventually they will have to be completely siloed off to prevent outside trolling.
Show thread🅿🅸🆇🅴🅻Jun 15, 2023
I hope they ran this defederatiom thing by their users first.
Show threadWolfric1982Jun 15, 2023
They did not. It was just dumped on everyone earlier today
Show threadGONADS125

I'm all for protecting users from bigoted assholes, but I would be very unhappy as one of the users they aim to protect due to feeling as tho they believe they know how to act in the best interest of their users, when they don't give their community a seat at the grown-ups' table to make the decision.

I'd rather not be part of an instance in which drastic, sweeping actions are taken without consideration or feedback from their userbase. I'm not even arguing that they are wrong in doing what they did; just that I wouldn't appreciate being treated like they know what's best for me. Feels like being treated like a child.

I don't want to be part of an instance in which I'll suddenly lose access to content across Lemmy because it's 'in my best interest' according to internet strangers.

With that said, hopefully we stop accruing bigoted assholes here, we get better mod tools, and things can be refederated.

Jun 15, 2023 at 12:07pmWeb
Show threadWolfric1982Jun 15, 2023
I had an account on beehaw and once I saw the post I immediately created a new account on lemmy.world for the exact reason you described. I don't want to be cut off or told what I can and can't see.