FantasticFoxJun 15, 2023

Why lemmy.world should not defederate from beehaw.org.

https://lemmy.world/post/151254

Why lemmy.world should not defederate from beehaw.org. - Lemmy.world

What defederating would mean: - We won’t see beehaw.org [http://beehaw.org] posts/comments on other instances. Pros: - There is less confusion, you can’t respond to a beehaw.org [http://beehaw.org] user, thinking they will be able to see your response when in reality they cannot. Cons: - We won’t be able to see any beehaw.org [http://beehaw.org] comments/posts on other instances, so we will miss out on some comment threads and posts. It could be good to be able to see them and interact with the other users there even though beehaw.org [http://beehaw.org] users won’t see any of our content. Summary Overall, I think it is better not to defederate, but simply unsubscribe from all of their communities (and as we no longer get posts from their instance, with time these will cease to appear on our ‘front page’). beehaw.org [http://beehaw.org] users already can’t see our posts/comments anywhere so it’s not like defederating would change their experience in any way, so it wouldn’t really be retaliation and would just limit the content available to lemmy.world users. What do you think?

Show threadRedMarsRepublicJun 15, 2023
Go ahead and defederate them, they're the ones that want to be closed off in their little centralised liberal safe zone.
Show threadDerefJun 15, 2023
It's their decision and you should respect that. I also don't agree with the defederation and the rest of their policies but you can just not use it. No need to turn this into a political conflict.
Show threadRedMarsRepublicJun 15, 2023
But it is a political decision.
Show threadbibeoboyJun 15, 2023
There is nothing political about people not wanting to waste unnecessary time moderating social media.
Show threadgoatJun 15, 2023
But this is political. Beehaw mods have said so
Show threadbibeoboyJun 15, 2023
Safe spaces and freedom of trolls/bigots is not political. No where in the beehaw explanation do they cite politics as a reason for this. If someone kept calling me a idiot commie and I blocked them, I'm not blocking politics I'm blocking trolling.
Show threadgoatJun 15, 2023
Except their excuses are pretty poor. Modlogs are always public info, and you can see that there were only one or two trolls. That doesn't warrant blocking hundreds of other users.
Show threadbibeoboy

So then you agree? It's not political?

Whether it was the right decision or not, they said they made it because trolls were coming from those communities and those communities have open sign ups. They also said it's not permanent so it's not like they're trying to silence a group of people perceived to mostly be on those servers. Just a group of mods/admins that took maybe too severe of a step to protect their base.

Jun 15, 2023 at 11:50amWeb
Show threadgoatJun 15, 2023
It's most likely going to be permanent. beehaw's admins don't have a very reputable history of fair moderation.
Show threadbibeoboyJun 15, 2023
It's most likely going to change when the protocol advances and defederation tools become more nuanced.
Show threadgoatJun 16, 2023
Hopefully