User DeletedHow long do you think Youtube will last before it dies like reddit did?
pasci_lei@IsThisLemmyOpen Reddit is not dead, yet.
Neither is Digg. Or myspace. Or many of dozens of services that used to be popular and fell into irrelevance.
thiccdiccniccBut Reddit is hardly irrelevant. they are still MASSIVE compared to those examples
@thiccdiccnicc Digg, myspace and heck ebaumsworld were all places that eventually started dying at some point. I just deleted my 3rd party app for Reddit to prevent my autopilot from clicking on the icon. If someone like me is done with Reddit, I imagine there's many that feel the same way. In fact, even if spez stepped down, I don't think I'd return to a centralized platform anymore.
Lemmy is irrelevant compared to Reddit. Completely and utterly. There’s what, a single medium-sized subreddit over all instances here?
fearBeing in its infancy doesn't make it irrelevant.
The three words he typed after irrelevant were kinda important to his point.
And they were implied in my own, but I'm happy to extend my statement for you: Being in its infancy doesn't make it irrelevant compared to Reddit. In fact, that line of thinking from Reddit's leadership will lead them to obscurity more quickly than if they take this seriously. Just existing as a viable alternative is a big deal. We haven't had one for a very long time.
simpleI don't think anything will ever replace YouTube. Did you ever wonder why there aren't many good alternatives?
It's because video streaming websites are very expensive and usually run at a loss. The storage and bandwidth to support all these users constantly uploading and watching videos is really high. It's why the Twitch competitor Mixer shut down a few years ago, it was bleeding money.
I use an adblocker and hate ads as much as the next person but imo prople do take these video services for granted. They need ads to survive and I can't imagine a world where I'd need to pay a subscription to use them.
Track_ShovelI'll just leave this here
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/youtube-tests-blocking-videos-unless-you-disable-ad-blockers/
The question is, what adblockers? It’s very rare that I encounter an adblocker-blocker that doesn’t only work against AdBlock but also against uBo.
I have to wonder how effective PeerTube might be in lessening the bandwidth costs at scale. So far the PeerTube instances I've seen have had so few users that I rarely see my computer uploading to other users or other users uploading to me.
Even then peer to peer isn't a good solution for me because I have limited upload/download where I live.
Reddit is far from dead. Most of the subs I care about are back.
asjmcguireYes, but how long that will remain the case after the mods lose access to their 3rd party tools - will be what dictates it's future
Probably quite a long time. People here keep massively overestimating how much people care about these details.
You got PeerTube but the amount of content is obviously inferior.
YouTube won't die anytime soon because running a Video Streaming Platform is way too expensive if you're not a big company. So there's no good alternatives. PeerTube Instances couldn't handle the massive data that YouTube can
PtitSerpentbecause running a Video Streaming Platform is way too expensive
Youtube CAN die, even without an alternative. But I understood what you meant
No one has solved a way to make hosting massive amounts of videos cheap, and this is unlikely to happen anytime soon due to the large amount of data storage and bandwidth required.
So no, even if YouTube somehow becomes even more tyrannical than it is it’s unlikely we’ll ever see it decentralized and federated the way Lemmy is in a usable way anytime soon.
RIPandTERRORCan anyone eli5 why pornhub doesn't just use their long standing streaming infrastructure to create a sfw site like... Idk "VidHub"? I feel like they could be a genuine competition with very little adjustment.
anthoniixYoutube is waaaay different from pornhub. The amount of people uploading porn doesnt even begin to approach the amount of people uploading sfw content.
You can feasibly make people pay for porn, especially if you get a hot girl to advertise the content to lonely men.
SFW content though? How do you convince someone to pay for a gaming VOD, or some other type of mundane content? Hosting sfw video is just not profitable on the scale that youtube does it. Not without the backing of some SERIOUS money 😬
....or a hot guy to advertise the content to lonely men 😉
Hosting sfw video is just not profitable on the scale that youtube does it
Youtube had $28.8b in revenue in 2021. While revenue isn't profit, I can't imagine it's losing money with that much revenue. It'd be hard for someone else to duplicate it, but not impossible if they have a strong business plan from the start.
YouTube Revenue and Usage Statistics (2024)
YouTube was launched in 2005. It was founded by three PayPal employees: Chad Hurley, Steve Chen, and Jawed Karim, who ran the company from an office above a small restaurant in San Mateo. The first video uploaded to the platform was “Me at the zoo”, featuring Karim. By the years end, YouTube was hosting over two million videos per day on its website and was averaging over 20 million daily active users. It wouldn’t be long before Google scooped up YouTube, acquiring the startup for $1.65 billion in late 2006. What was considered at the time to be a huge reach for a startup which had shown no capability or interest in generating profit is now recognized as one of the smartest acquisitions of the
or Vimeo setting up a more 'community'-oriented form of itself, with free uploads etc. Or Flickr going in for long-form video. Could something like that rival YT?
CalchargerIt depends on how long people will desire long form video content. Maybe 15 years?
Oh god, the idea of the future being 10 second videos recorded vertically with cringe music and weird filters... 🤮
We're not the demographic anymore
i5-2520MFuture? We are basically there.
Isnt that just tiktok lol
I'm constantly forced to find new extensions that hide Youtube Shorts because they stop working regularly.
Maybe when technology gets to a certain point all that data storage will be a lot cheaper. Atm the best alternative I have seen is Dailymotion but they are nowhere near the scale of youtube.
Yes! The amount of storage YouTube requires is absolutely bonkers and there's simply no way to finance that unless you're backed by a trillion dollar company, unfortunately. AFAIK YouTube still operates on a loss
VuipesIt will be very hard to replace YouTube. Google barely making money from it, if any. The storage you need to host so many videos (some 4k) for free is insane.
Not sooner as someone figuring out a way for cheaper video hosting. I don't think youtube is even profitable.
BloonfaceIt's in the same boat as Reddit is where it has gained a lot of goodwill by providing free content hosting for pretty much anyone, but because they've done that for so long it's seen as having little value, so attempts to generate value from it are resented.
I'm a lot more sympathetic to YouTube than I am to Reddit though, to put it bluntly.
Reddit is dead?
Reddit is dead?
wr4th4i think youtube is doing much better than reddit
SensPeer Tube could take off by us uploading to it and linking it from Lemmy
exohumanThe only problem is YouTube has a way to monetize their videos, attracting creators who work to make money on the content. PeerTube doesn’t have that yet.
Handling ads and payments is a whole other issue that federated platforms haven't even begun to tackle yet. Crypto might be a way forward but it's messy enough that it might turn some people off.
Odysee and Rumble are actually really solid alternatives to YouTube. They're just missing the content. No, they're not as good as YouTube, but they're good enough.
Rumble is lacking so many simple features that YouTube has, like being able to just listen to content while the screen is off. YouTube seems to be the only video streaming app able to do this.
aegisgfx877The problem really is that if Odysee for example got really big, one of the other corporate giants would just buy it and turn it into shit, there seems to be no winning this battle in the long term
That’s what’s awesome about Odysee: it’s built on the LBRY blockchain protocol. Anyone can host on the network. What you said is accurate for Rumble, but more competitors usually keeps all the players in check.
Reddit isnt dead yet, and it will be much harder for youtube to die. Kinda hard to make creators move when its their job, and without them moving, there is no chance of any progress occuring.
Right now, the best thing they can do is host their content on youtube AND other alternatives like Odyssey. This lets them make the same money they always had, but also gives people an option to watch it somewhere else. Unfortuately, your average youtuber is completely clueless about this option and so you mainly only see tech people doing it with only a few exceptions here and there.
There are already many other sites and as YouTube keeps getting worse and greedier there will probably be more and more creators going elsewhere.
One example is firearms content moving to utreon. And obviously nsfw which has never been welcome there being available on many other hosts.
YouTube is not the only possible video service that can exist in the world.
It's unlikely that another monopoly can take over their business as a whole, but YouTube can definitely fail and video hosting has long been fragmented.
The worst thing about youtube is that they forced all my favourite youtubers into becoming streamers, and that's just an entirely different type of content.
mmmplakYoutube is one of the things that less techie people think of when it comes to internet videos. It’s quite mainstream and will stay for long.
Youtube has already become a verb much like google.
Reddit isn't even close to dying yet.
missingnoYoutube is far too expensive for anyone to try and run a competitor to. I don't think we'll ever see a replacement.
Google is still losing money on it, and might never make it profitable. There's a real risk that Youtube just dies on its own and nothing replaces it.
Youtube'll probably last for a while, but it feels like it's getting shittier each year. Search is terrible now, and then there are those in-video cards you can't get rid of, even though there's a checkbox in the settings (at least on Browsers) to get rid of them, they don't actually go away unless you use an adblocker.
Plus, the algorithm is stupid, and when you search there's no common sense filters like don't show things I downvoted, or don't show things I've already watched today. At the very least, Youtube needs some serious competition for it to shape up and stop doing dumb things that annoy everyone.
I hate that Tiktok's run by the Chinese government to spy on people of interest (like journalists), but it's giving Youtube some much needed competition otherwise.
ZILtoid1991Platform deaths will be very slow, very long, and very painful.
We all hoped Twitter will have one major and spectacular screw up, which will end the platform. It didn't. Instead Elon started to sell the previous verification to anyone with at least $8 to spare, made the API a paid feature, made it so his yes men will be pushed up to the top, dismantled the moderation team and system, and started to promote far-right conspiracy theories. Sometimes certain features stop working.
I guess if reddit doesn't start to screw up even more, they can even survive. Maybe even recover. But if they're continuing to learn the wrong things from the Twitter fiasco, they'll go downhill, make more and more people to leave, until the site is mostly abandoned. The opsec specialists already left twitter, LGBTQ people leaving it slowly, and even Japanese artists are now pulling double duty with Mastodon. I'll try to promote the fediverse in my country too, as who knows when will Elon decide to silence the Hungarian opposition, and Hungarian Facebook already has issues with the report system, seemingly on purpose.
Youtube regularly spits on its content creators and they come crawling back for more, that's how few alternatives Youtube has out there. Youtube is not currently at risk of death. Reddit might hemorrhage more users come July, but it hasn't died and won't die anytime soon, either.
vortexalNever, the big name content creators will never boycott YouTube like Reddit mods for large subs did because YouTube pays them and no one takes alternatives seriously enough to even just mirror their content on an alternative. I've been trying to support YouTube alternatives as much as I can but I'm only one person, I'd be naive to think that I alone could make a difference.