@randulo Most of my online-discussion interests are met through Hacker News and Mastodon, for now.

I've been at a point for some years where if I'm really interested in learning more about a topic, I'll find a suitable author and read them (or listen to lectures), and perhaps occasionally email. (I try to be exceedingly respectful of their time.)

The level of clue I'm seeking tends not to be in much evidence in larger discussions, and generally leaves pretty quickly if conditions deteriorate even slightly.

I've been aware of Lemmy for a few months, I think. kbin just popped up on my radar in the past few days. I've been on Tildes for ... six or seven years now, though I post there infrequently. Even Hacker News is mostly useful as a link aggregator rather than discussion site (though there are occasional gems in that regard).

I miss the tight group that could discuss things intelligently on one anothers' posts at Diaspora*, and may still find my way back for that. Hosting such a group independently and on a platform better suited to such discussion would be a real bonus. Something between a blog, CMS, and/or Wiki maybe.

Scale ruins conversation.

@paul

@randulo Another ... interesting ... element is how often I seem to run across the same, fairly small, number of people who do engage in interesting discussions.

I've known a few people across numerous sites since the late 1990s. Arguably the 1980s in a couple of instances.

There's a substantial set I've known from G+ and on through Diaspora* and now Mastodon, yourself included.

There are people such as @ColinTheMathmo who's an HN god and also active on the Fediverse.

There've been additions and subtractions from that set, and I've not done a really structured census / survey of this, though I've pulled at pieces of this. For example, pulling 16 years of Hacker News front page submissions and looking at the stories, sites, submitters, and activity (votes, comments) around those. It'd be interesting to do some sort of Internet Who's Who, with a focus on people who are online but don't make that their livelihood (I'm trying to come up with a rationalisation / justification for excluding, say, marketers, influencers, etc., from the set) and get a sense of what that community is. Going back to Usenet it's seemed that the vital core is probably a few tens or hundreds of thousands of people. And I suspect that's still reasonably true today.

Looking at my HN dataset, the top submitter accounts for about 0.75% of total front-page votes and comments over the whole set. The top 200 submitters account for ~20% of total votes and comments, whilst there are 43,598 submitters in total. Over half (56%) of all front-page submitters have only a single entry.

There are:

  • 2 submitters with > 1,000 stories
  • 170 w/ >= 100
  • 2,812 w/ >= 10
  • 19,165 w/ >=2

(That very nearly perfectly follows the rule I'd suggested in a recent HN comment: prevalence and items scale inversely by powers of ten, see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36333285 )

Half of all front-page stories are submitted by 2,092 profiles.

These sorts of power-law relations are typical of all media and communications, I'm not trying to paint some picture of a cabal ...

... but I am suggesting that of all online activity, the substantial and substantive part is probably attributable to a much smaller population than most people would think.

(And I suspect that social media companies, or at least some of the larger ones, are in fact aware of this.)

@paul

There are well over a million subreddits. Even counting just *large* groups, the... | Hacker News

@dredmorbius :

"There are people such as @ColinTheMathmo who's an HN god ...

Oh, I say, steady on ...

But seriously, I remember the C2 wiki in its heyday ... a medium number of people interacting in an open, collaborative manner, with lots of readers (90:9:1) and discussion that were useful and fruitful.

Yes, scale kills things, but how do you stop things from getting stale?

I have half-formed ideas, but as you say, #LifeKeepsOnHappening.

@randulo @paul

@ColinTheMathmo From an HN thread a few days back: educational institutions seem to be a particularly robust model of intentional community, and have an interesting balance of transient (student) and more permanent (faculty, staff) populations, as well as a noncommercial mission, and (for the past century or so) a pretty robust funding base.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36249791

@randulo @paul

That's an excellent question. Does HN count? I've thought a bit about intentiona... | Hacker News

@dredmorbius That's a really interesting discussion ... thank you.

Bookmarked.

@randulo @paul