TalosYouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers
average650I'm certainly not an expert in this, but surely there are ways to get around this right? Pihole? Could ad blockers fake ads being played?
zakharovAt least for me, and as far as I know, Pihole doesn't block YouTube ads. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong because I'd love a network-level solution. Currently just have uBlock Origin for blocking YT ads.
misguidedfunkPihole will not block YouTube ads. I think it’s incapable of doing so without blocking YouTube.
I can confirm this - the content comes from the same DNS name as the ads, this means pihole cannot distinguish between them
The solution then falls on something like ublock origin - sadly layers of ad blocking is needed in this day and age
uBlock Origin does a good job for me. On occasion, I will try watching YouTube on a platform where I don't have it and I'm amazed how unwatchable it is. This reminds me to try to find alternate platforms for watching the creators I care about. Nebula is a good option for a lot of them, although it probably will never have the variety YouTube has. I haven't tried PeerTube yet...I suspect I will run into the same issue.
dogoh look, another web service who wants to strangle its users for money and ad views :D when's a peertube instance going to get some big creators on it supported by viewers? that'll do it, i bet
Unfortunately most people post to YouTube. They might not know about Peertube. So Peertube just doesn't have the content.
Here's to hoping as lemmy, mastodon, etc. get name recognition peertube gets their time of day too.
How does peertube work exactly? Because if it hosts the video on just the one "instance" or server or whatever a viral video will almost certainly have it's legs cut from under it very quickly. Don't get me wrong I want YouTube to have viable competition but videos are huge.
From the documentation:
A PeerTube instance can mirror other PeerTube videos to improve bandwidth use.
The instance administrator can choose between multiple redundancy strategies (cache trending videos or recently uploaded videos etc.), set their maximum size and the minimum duplication lifetime. Then, they choose the instances they want to cache in Manage follows -> Following admin table.
Videos are kept in the cache for at least min_lifetime, and then evicted when the cache is full.
Seems unlikely that a creator would jump ship from a platform that pays them to a platform that doesn’t. That being said, lots of creators also constantly complain about demonetization, so maybe they’ll start to get fed up and move to purely in-video sponsorship things. Seems most likely from a creator that’s already on a platform like nebula
you're definitely right on most points. but, to your point, if a creator was on a federated instance of peertube then they don't have to worry about the wishy-washy, everchanging rules of youtube :3
I could see someone making some fork of peertube that helps creators get paid. May not be free but could get creators willing to join
ShakeThatYamSponsorships are even worse than ads.
I subscribe to nebula for this reason, directly support creators and it's very reasonably priced.
never heard of nebula, thank you for bringing it up :D
Did they ever get around to implementing playlists and autoplay of some sort? I really wanted to get into that service, but the absence of those two things just killed it for me
I've found Nebula to be great for a few creators I follow, but the amount of content isn't high enough to wean me off of YouTube completely.
loopsI've hda good experiences with Odysee. Not as much content yet, and it's missing DIY videos, but I don't see problems yet.
this is very interesting, ty 💙
ubergeek77Alternate headline: Users test using only YouTube ReVanced to bypass this new system
YouTube Revanced is a savior
Garbage DataHey, where do I find this? UBlock blocks the top links on DDG as "Badware risk"
Here's what I use: https://github.com/inotia00/rvx-builder/wiki/How-to-use-rvx-builder-on-Android
CommunistNewpipe for me!
Newpipe x Sponsorblock fork is my go to.
Yeah, I never got why they didn't include that.
SentinianWait newpipe has a sponsorblock fork? literally the only reason I use revanced
Yep, here's the github https://github.com/polymorphicshade/NewPipe
It's on izzyondroid too so I've been using the Neo Store in favor of F-droid to update it.
delmainYou can add the IzzyOnDroid sources to F-Droid though? I get NewPipe w/ Sponsorblock updates through F-Droid super easy.
KaldoIs there anything like newpipe but for yt music?
newpipe does support youtube music
Ohh, it's a small toggle only visible when searching by text. Completely missed it so far, thanks.
MothraNever heard of this, does it work on desktop? NewPipe is my go to on my phone, but some content I need a large screen to watch
You can't use ReVanced on desktop. I was mostly being sarcastic and saying everyone would just start watching on their phones. But I do most of my YouTube viewing on mobile anyway, so if I started getting hit with this, this is literally what I would do.
xavier666For Desktop, you can use FreeTube
- Supports all platforms (Yey Linux)
- No ads
- Can create seperate profiles (Helps me with productivity)
- Download the video is required
Only downside
- Can't comment on the videos
Well thank you! I'll look into it. Great timing 👍
You can also look into invidious instances, if you want to avoid downloading an app.
https://invidious.io/
EDIT: Or piped, https://piped.video/
Oh more options, thanks! Would you know if watching videos through any of these adds to the official video watch count? It would be nice to still contribute to the engagement metrics for some of the desktop content I watch
PekkaAlthough not nice for people that can't afford or don't want YouTube premium, this makes a lot of sense. Hosting videos costs a lot of money, and I doubt the YouTube Premium subscribers pay even nearly enough to pay for the hosting of all these videos. Personally I just have YouTube Premium as this also gives more money to the creators that make these videos.
I think an Open Source alternative would also have a lot of trouble with receiving enough funding to stay up. It would require a lot more donation compared to hosting mostly text based sites like Lemmy.
Premium more than covers costs, with a reasonable profit margin included. That's what it really costs to host and serve that much data.
Peertube I think helps offload that by having every video be a torrent so each additional viewer increases the max bandwidth. But still not free to start
GrizzzlayI imagine folks wouldn't have a problem with this if the ads weren't already so aggressive. Numerous ads before and during the content break it up too much. And if the content is extremely short form, it completely ruins the experience.
The number of ads and their length should be proportional to the length of the video. And any creator doing built-in ads should also not be able to inject a bunch of other ads. Burying content is an easy way to get avoided.
Print media had limits for advertisements, heck, in magazines they were premium real estate for the finest graphic designers to put together incredible imagery to get your attention. This level of care (not necessarily images or what have you) has yet to translate to the web.
PowderhornAre you saying your threshold for ads and empty foreshadowing hype is somehow under 99%? I sure do love me an ad-blocked, sponsor-blocked video that still somehow manages to waste 10 minutes to learn "no" or "I don't know, either."
Unrelated, online ads seem to go out of their way to insist that there's nothing to be learned from print ad stacks. Which is a shame, because I've personally placed an irregular shape ad in the middle of a broadsheet page and place stories around it in the manner least like to confuse readers. Guess what the verdict was back then?
I understand why they're doing this, but if you make a service that was once free, paid, it's not a good look.
My biggest gripe giving youtube my money is that they are google. If google would like to have my money, they should not bee such dicks.
YouTube is going to have a lot of trouble enforcing this. Lots and lots of people out there are going to be immediately at work finding ways around this limitation.
samick1We'll make some plugin that downloads the ad and tells Google it was "totally watched and stuff".
"Say the product name into the mic to continue viewing the video"
Oh God!
You might be thinking it's a joke but it's real
https://www.techradar.com/news/sony-patent-would-have-you-yell-at-your-tv-to-skip-commercials
That's pretty funny. I'd watch a movie where they show this as normalized in the future.
Hah, that'll be fun on my desktop... I don't even have a microphone.
There will be some cat-and-mouse games with blockers and anti-blockers, but the "Nash equilibrium" end result of online ads is that they will be spliced with the content into a single video stream before being sent to you. It's not done now because it's less work for youtube servers not to re-encode, but it can and will be done if youtube clients/browsers with addons keep ignoring downloading the ad video files, or download them but lie about playing them. We'll come full circle back to television yet!
You'll need a DVR for your YouTube. Ironically, when DVRs were a thing for TV, the most reliable method for automatically skipping commercial breaks was cutting out segments with increased sound volume profile XD
The other alternative is total DRM and a war against general computing. We already have HDMI with HDCP encryption in place, next YouTube will demand that only trusted code (that guarantees ads are played) authenticated via a TPM on authorized devices can access their video streams. Netflix and Amazon are already doing it. I can't play either because my devices are too "free" for them.
The ad blocking arms race churns ever onward
I never thought YouTube's business model was very sustainable. As the world economy goes down, so does the value of ads. Creators or consumers need to pay up for all the bandwidth and storage. The question is about what is a reasonable price. Are low tiers for $3/mo. possible along with premium 4k options or does everything need to be at more than that?
YouTube premium is pretty reasonably priced if you consume a lot of content on there. I probably consume a minimum of 12 hours every week not including music, so I feel I'm paying a fair price.
Tough choice. I feel like if you’re a creator who uses YouTube as your sole source of income, a few bucks a month, even like $100 could be worth while. Tragically would lock out people just starting, but maybe they can get some kind of free trial? On the consumer side tho I imagine people would be much less likely to pay, but maybe some people could be convinced if it was real cheap.
ookeesI'm in the camp that says you should really pay for premium. It's so worth the money. For every premium user that watches a video the creator gets a pretty good cut. Something like 55%. Blocking ads doesn't really hurt the creator too much. Your mainly just sticking it to Google. But if your someone who watches alot of YouTube consider premium, to help your favorite creators more. Especially you get Music included.