brainschadenIs there any feedback of the current blackout? Feels like everything will be over soon and it's going on like before.
JackOfAllTraitsEven after the blackout, it can't be like before. Many will not use the official app. Many have already deleted their accounts. Reddit might survive, but sith the new Api and ads model, it will be soulless...
For me it’s very easy, because I only use Apollo, that is reddit for me. I can’t stand the official app, homepage. If Apollo’s gone, I might still end up on old.reddit through google search when looking for something, but that’s it.
People will make their way over here when they realize what reddit has become and are looking to scratch that itch - which lemmy does for me so far.
If I can't use reddit is fun then I'm not gonna use reddit because I don't want to see ads and their app sucks.
I feel reddit corp still dgaf and when the majority of subreddits are back then the blackouts will be but a memory..
For me personally - I gaf, so I deleted my 12YO reddit account, wiped my comments and now going to be a lemmy & mastodon main.
I think that the fediverse will continue to grow nicely, especially as existing reddit apps start to point to lemmy as a backend. Also places like tildes.net will grow nicely as the reddit is fun app dev has stated he's building an app for it.
They'll no doubt survive, but Reddit really fucked their monopoly with how this was handled.
How can one get an invite for tiĺdes.net ?
I have 5 invites, I want to save one for my bro but if you, or any other peeps want one - PM me :)
I’m interested!
I’m interested as well!
I couldn't figure how to PM using my app (Jerboa), but I'm very interested in getting an invite if somebody has an extra.
samus12345I went there and noticed I already had an account - apparently I tried it in 2018 and completely forgot about it. If I recall it was a reaction to spez's "valuable discussion" comment.
Feels like everything will be over soon and it's going on like before.
This is why scheduling it ahead of time to last for 48 hours was a monumentally stupid idea.
If workers form a union and they go on a strike, and they told the boss they're striking for 2 days, The boss can just wait it out and get back to whatever they were doing before after the strike.
This is essentially a content creators strike from Reddit, telling the admins that everything will be back to normal in 2 days gives them the opportunity to wait it out without having to cave to any of the demands.
I really enjoyed this community so far and watching it grow immensely over the past 24 hours or so, and it kind of feels depressing that most of the people are just going to leave and go back to Reddit tomorrow.
pinwurmThey’ll be back here again in 2-ish weeks when Apollo and RIF are done.
And when mlem and other apps start rolling out for Lemmy, we’ll start seeing shifts. Apps that have proper accessibility, a clean UI, lack advertising and don’t eat data. And they give you the same Reddit experience without Reddit’s predatory business strategy.
When the blackouts stop, a lot of users will be able to search for Reddit alternatives and will find Lemmy… through Reddit.
I mod a sub with 65K users or so, I plan to go dark indefinitely. Also considering Read-Only with a sticky redirecting here. I know I’m not the only mod.
The Digg > Reddit migration wasn’t overnight. It was fast, though.
I'm using "jerboa for Lemmy". Is that the best option? Feels very beta.
WenchetteMe too, I like it
Yea, I keep thinking this. Once there’s an app on Android and iOS, one that can explain the fediverse simply and is well designed, many of the Apollo, RIF, and Sync users will jump over.
The average user has poor tech literacy. I mean, the pandemic began over 3 years ago and still people have trouble managing Zoom. "How do I share a screen? Where is the calendar invite? Oh woops, I didn't realize I was unmuted!". These are otherwise smart people. That's why the best apps are super simple and idiot-proof.
I strongly believe that a good Lemmy does not need to explain the federation.
It should not use the word 'instance', 'server' or any of that jargon outside of advanced settings. All that'll do is scare away new users.
All the app needs to do is say, "Hey, you want to connect with communities sharing memes, news and fun stories? Well - download this app!". Let the app point them to a list of communities they might like and keep it at that.
The user doesn't need to know they're commenting on Beehaw or lemmy.world. All they need to know is they're chatting about a cute kitten or whatever.
This is exactly right. People who know their stuff and want to dig around advanced settings should be able to do so, but everybody else needs a simple app that works without any learning curve.
The 2 day window might at least show that there's a definite interest to join a protest from a wide array of the community. I see it as a warning, meaning if the changes aren't being reversed, there's going to be a lot more communities going dark forever then there is now.
While I don't think this was anyone's plan, I think setting it for two days was brilliant by accident. It was short enough (and long enough) that spez dismissed it and pissed people off even more.
It would have been much harder to rally subs to turn off permanently immediately. By doing this, you ease everyone into the idea that this is an indefinite blackout.
The next step will be Reddit admins forcibly taking control of subs that stay blacked out too long for their liking, which will drive even more momentum to stand up to them.
I think this was actually just about the only way for them to completely fuck Reddit over. At this point, spez will need to be fired and the changes rolled back or Reddit has zero chance of a meaningful recovery.
Not to mention this will likely damage their attempt at an IPO later this year. Advertisers and potential stock owners won't want to deal with a company who can't "control" its users. It's too volatile. Stockholders want their revenue to always increase, but even potential for something like this after Reddit potentially goes public would cause Reddit's stock to go down.
johndroidMost everyone who left will return. Some thousands of users will actually leave Reddit permanently—but they will be replaced by users who have never used a third-party app, don't care about privacy or accessibility or anything but memes and boobs and endless scrolling.
I wish them no ill will, but I no longer wish to be in their company.
If it turns out like that, I'll be permanently leaving Reddit behind. But for now, there is still just so much good content and good community there, so for me it all depends on the quality subreddits thriving or not. I have 14 years of history there, it's much harder for me to burn my bridges with Reddit than it was with Twitter or Facebook. I'm kind of hoping Reddit switches tack and finds a way to run a sustainable business without becoming an ad-driven hellhole, but for now it seems like they don't really care about their most valuable users, the moderators. I fear we'll be seeing a steady decline in quality subreddits in favor of whatever brings in the most ad money. Pretty sure that won't be /r/askHistorians or its ilk. The IPO is a bad omen, imho. It means revenue and profit will never be enough, and they will be chasing money forever.
Why not go back and encourage your favorite subreddits to make the jump to similar communities over here? Lemme just needs continued infusion of content and a little time.
My question is- why not start moving some of that content to Lemmy? If users who have contributed value to reddit replicated that content over to Lemmy, it seems like that would be fertilizer to the soil. I know it's not reasonable to expect it to be done all at once, but if the few thousands just chipped away at moving even some of their best picks over the next few months, I think that would help with the growth on Lemmy. (Unfortunately, my contributions would be more akin to manure...)
I'm considering the blackout to be like massive natural disasters: most leave, some stay behind, some people come back periodically but it's never the same.
Reddit is still a useful resource for me (most of my googling is with "reddit" appended to get actual answers vs. clickbait for ads). But for casual browsing I'm making a conscious effort to stick to Lemmy/Kbin as much as I can. And it'll only get easier with time as more quality content comes on the platform!
They're currently gathering subreddits for an infinite blackout from May 31th
https://old.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/148ks6u/indefinite_blackout_next_steps_polling_your/
Thank you for linking this. Glad to see so many subs continuing indefinitely.
Did you see the comment about r/adviceanimals and r/Tumblr have been forced public by Reddit?
Yes, I did read that just now. Earlier on the blackout tracker I did notice it was back online and I was wondering why. I wouldn't consider adviceanimals to be a particular important subreddit (compared to the much bigger ones that are offline), so I wonder why? I kinda wonder if something else was going on there for the admins to do that.
In which Reddit will eject the mods and turn them back on
SuitedUpDevEjecting the current mods, is kinda like going nuclear. It will damage the trust Redditors have in a subreddit. However, should Reddit do that, then I would imagine they will do that on a larger subreddit and a consequence of that, that news will spread like wildfire. That in turn will, most likely, cause moderator walkouts.
I know current Reddit management is acting like they are stupid. That doesn't mean that they are THAT stupid.
But that's just my 2cts.
Edit: grammar be hard yo.
Apparently they've already done it. Can't remember the sub, but they kicked a mod, made it public for a couple hours, then switched it back off. I'm assuming it'll be one of the 48 hour ones instead of the permanent ones now.
I found the subreddit on which it happened. It was /r/AdviceAnimals. Apprently /u/LegWeed got ejected. But apparently there is some SubReddit drama from that.
Sources
https://lemmy.ml/post/1250165
https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/147eaw3/rsubredditdrama_is_in_restricted_mode_for_the/jo0eoqw/?context=3
I really appreciate how reasonable (IMO) the demands are in the stickied comment in that thread.
Honestly it would be a good business move to accept those terms exactly as presented in that stickied comment. Nothing unreasonable is being suggested there.
Those comments though, wow. There are a whole lot of people who don't understand anything about this and blame the mods and app developers. And we're all over here on Lemmy instead of correcting them.
That's the problem with leaving out of protest. The predominant voices on Reddit will be the ones who don't leave. It will become the popular opinion that Reddit is in the right. We can't control that. We just have to know that we are doing what's right for us and move on to better things
celerateIt's amazing what subreddits exist that I had no idea about. I don't know if humanity will ever recover from this loss.
I just saw this, highlighting my own
"In an internal memo sent Monday afternoon to Reddit staff, CEO Steve Huffman addressed the recent blowback directed at the company, telling employees to block out the “noise” and that the ongoing blackout of thousands of subreddits will eventually pass."
https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759559/reddit-internal-memo-api-pricing-changes-steve-huffman
lemmy_steveIt's so nice of Stevie boy to refer to his userbase as "noise". Proof of how little he values the people who use his corner of the internet. Hopefully this wording of his will show how little he thinks of everyone.
Good point, I do wonder what % of userbase are in support of these protest and what % don't care? Seems like ~100k has joined these fediverse alternatives out of reddit's 50,000,000 daily active users 0.2% if my tired maths hasn't failed me.
Not that I want the same userbase as reddit, far from it...
My 50pence is that what reddit has fucked up is their monopoly on where these communities reside.
What really matters is the mods and users that submit quality content. A million lurkers don't really contribute.
+1... I'd wager that a significant portion of that 0.2% (if indeed the number) is the most active / dedicated reddit users (power users). It's the mods, active posters, etc that are creating and fostering content on the whole site. The rest of the lurkers won't stay if there's nothing engaging being posted or if the subs are an unmodded mess.
Zuk called his users "dumb fucks" and Facebook is still as popular as ever.