packetlossJun 13, 2023

X11 vs Wayland

https://lemmy.ml/post/1235419

X11 vs Wayland - Lemmy

I’m a seasoned Linux user, but mostly for servers and services, not really for desktop use. I’ve dabbled in some desktop distros on my personal rig a few times in the past, but ultimately due to specific games, I’ve gone back to Windows. I recently installed Arch and KDE. Upon initial boot I noticed it was defaulted to Wayland. Every time I would try to log in it would just go to a black screen then cycle back to the login screen. Picking X11 would bring me to the desktop. Basic Specs: - AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3D - nVidia RTX 4090 I have been doing some reading into this and it looks like the issue is due to the proprietary nVidia drivers, but there are solutions to work around this. I know nothing of Wayland other than its supposed to be more secure. My question is, is it worth the time/effort to get Wayland working? I primarily use my system for gaming. X11 seems to be working just fine for me right now. Forgive me if I’m using some of the terminology wrong, still learning.

Show threadheartlessevilJun 13, 2023
X11 is deprecated, it's been removed from RHEL. You might as well switch to Wayland (and xwayland if needed) now.
Show threadsin_free_for_00_daysJun 13, 2023
Still no issues on Debian.
Show threadheartlessevil
I imagine you're talking about stability issues and not the numerous security flaws with X11 that are baked in to the protocol. Wayland is an improvement for many reasons, not just stability and the fact that it is actively developed unlike X11.
Jun 13, 2023 at 2:57pmWeb
Show threadsin_free_for_00_daysJun 13, 2023

Oh, I've followed this stuff for years and years. I've been using Linux pretty much exclusively for a quarter of a century. People love to harp on the security issues, but from what I've seen that's pretty much theoretical. The only real compelling argument is that developers are leaning toward Wayland, so that's the way it will go. I'm sure some day I'll go to update and it'll be time to make that change.

I'm not a developer. I wasn't super happy with the change to systemd, but it's not like I was the one that had to deal with the init v issues, so when it changed, I went along. I'm sure the same will happen with Wayland. The last time I tried it, a lot of my decades of cruft didn't work, shortcuts and workflow issues. Sure, I should probably clean up all that crap anyway, but like I said, it'll happen when it happens. Until then, I'm completely happy with X11.

Show threadSentauJun 14, 2023

If you find your needs aren’t met by Wayland, just keep using X! We won’t be offended. I’m not trying to force you to use it. Why you heff to be mad?

I have never seen truer words been spoken