Amoiridis KyriakosLemmy and Mastodon feel like the real web3.
BarbarianIt's pretty dope. Been following the fediverse for a while, but I've never used twitter so mastodon felt kinda useless to me. I've never used facebook, so friendica felt kinda useless to me.
Anonymous strangers posting links and having discussions? Now that's more my jam.
My thoughts exactly
🌍 kommanditbolag I've loved that part of reddit and still do to a point. The thing that's been creeping into the platform is the problem with bots and astroturfing.
The only bot issue I heard of is following people, which one would only get notified if they use new reddit or official app. What were the other bot problems? What's to stop the bots on this site?
My favourite part was AMAs by scientists and authors or even ppl like Gov Schwarzenegger. I hope fediverse develops to that point one day.
I remember when AMAs were organic and people actually answered questions. Before prepared questions and answers became a thing.
SubmarineDoorI loved seeing those IAMAs too. Schwarzenegger, Obama, NASA scientists and Woody Harrelson (can we talk about Rampart?)! Unfortunately I think the web is worse now, far too much focus on monetization, bots, propaganda> and astroturfing.
I'm hoping that Lemmy flies under the radar in the sweet spot of enough subscribers but not too many.
Same here, neither of those are my thing, but lemmy scratches my needs. Of course without reddit fucking up, I would never have checked it out, but now I’m really hoping this gets big, without losing it’s core
Fingers crossed.
Wishfully thinking, but, I hope companies follow this
MattThere's been quite a lot of large companies and institutions on the Fediverse, mostly on Mastodon. As long as there are people there, corporate will follow too.
Some examples:
- ARD, the largest German public broadcaster, has their own Mastodon instance (https://ard.social/explore)
- The EU itself has their own Mastodon instance (https://social.network.europa.eu/explore)
- The German federal authorities also have their own Mastodon instance (https://social.bund.de/explore)
Then there's all the big FOSS tech groups like KDE and Mozilla who are on the Fediverse too.
As long as there's an audience, people will come, just have to withstand the growing pains.
That's fine, as long as no instance gets like 99% of the userbase and we are back to square one
SanguineParThat's my concern - that some company buys up some of the most popular instances, then "encourages" their members to concentrate on on instance, builds up the number of communities on it until it becomes totally dominant and then cuts out all the other instances.
Not that the others couldn't just continue, obviously, but if they're starved of users they'll be starved of content too and the gravitational pull of the big one(s) might drive the small ones into obscurity or closure.
BRB, got a business idea...
ObiI hear you but I'd like to think the federated nature is too complex and spread out for one entity to take it all. That might be wishful thinking though.
blackstampedeMight seem naive, but I actually have a hard time imagining this. There's just not a lot to make one instance more desirable than another, which seems like a bad thing, but I don't think it is. I decided against signing up on lemmy.ml because it was laggy, so I went with a smaller instance- all the same content, but without the lag. If a lot of content gets created on one instance, there's no pressure to pile in, because you can view, comment and interact from a different, smaller instance.
There are ways for large players to hijack things if we let them. There's always the embrace, extend, extinguish method where a company starts adding proprietary features to the protocol and then cutting support to the competitors once they hit a critical mass.
Let's day they add some proprietary features. That's basically the difference between kbin and lemmy - they both support enough of the basic feature set required that anything they add on top of it is just "nice to have", not something which would prevent a lemmy user from switching to kbin if every lemmy instance gets shut down.
Just the fact that lemmy/kbin exists and that we are on it suggests that the scenario is unlikely. Still, the idea would be that Meta would make their own ActivityPub based service. They make it super easy for facebook/Instagram users to join. Then eventually they roll out some feature that needs MetaPub, their new open source (if you agree to their strict license) version of the api. Now if you want to interact with people uses those features, you need to go to a Meta approved instance. Eventually they disable the old ActivityPub system and cut ties with standard Lemmy/kbin instances. Probably in the name of security or user experience.
That's exactly what Apple, Google, and Facebook did to XMPP. They all started with a federated open protocol messaging system. At first iChat users could that to GChat, and Messenger users, as well as users of thousands of other servers. After they built their network they closed off federation under the guise of "feature development".
mobiuscoffeeSomething poetic about Facebook dropping xmpp and now coming back to mastodon
I can totally see the big 5 trying to the same things with activitypub
I say let’s keep up this momentum and continue making this a space people want to be in and engage with.
We’re already off to a strong start, let’s commit and see what new corner of the internet we can define for ourselves.
It's nice to have this space to retreat to. Even if it doesn't outcompete the corporate web anytime soon, the existence of another option will constrain how bad they can get a bit, and will create a place for refugees to go after each new outrage. And it's not like the core functionality of any of the corporate sites was that complicated underneath all the bloat, after people have been on here working out the kinks for a while there's no reason it should be any less convenient of an experience.
agreed, i can’t remember the last time reddit added an actual useful feature.
The multi-image post, but only worked on new reddit.
Seeing your post my first thought was that multi-image albums always worked on old.Reddit. But actually I was thinking of a Reddit Enhancement Suite feature. Which is another open-source toolkit that was provided by the community to Reddit.
Happy to see that the Open Source came up with something top-to-bottom like Lemmy and the Fediverse!
I meant actually making a post with multiple images. Old reddit only allowed one, whereas new reddit, you can upload multiple to one and it creates a gallery.
Yes, RES would let you see all the images afaik. I can't remember the last time I browsed on my desktop without RES.
nepatriots32The only thing they did do relatively recently that I liked was adding the option for subs to not archive posts that are older than 6 months. But I guess when you think about it, that's more of just taking a restriction away, and less of adding something new. Other than that, though, it's either just useless stuff or stuff that actively made things worse.
To be fair about the archiving thing you have to consider that being able to make old data read only allows you to optimize a lot of things. With good engineering the allowance for archival should make the whole site faster and more stable. So sort of a soft feature.
I get that, and it could make sense to archive things at some point, but I do think it was nice for certain communities, aside from things like sports, news, etc., to be able to still comment on old posts. Especially help posts or things like that, because they could still be relevant months or even years later.
There should be a way to unarchive something if that's the case, which works better than a new post which references the previous one with small addendums or questions. This is especially useful when people are searching for information on certain topics and everything is contains within one post rather than 5 posts because the earlier ones were archived. Many people will never continue searching and see all of the newer information once they have found the old now incomplete posts.
Holy shit, is that why I got a random influx of trolls commenting on 5 year old comments?
word is they've got 300 full time devs in the april fools experiment department
Feels like old school forums again. A little barebones compared to some of the corporate stuff, but that's not a bad thing. Just the simple what's needed no extra fluff.
rsknI like it like this, but I've always been a minimalist. With a few QoL changes/fixes (especially for the mobile app) this will be perfect.
I agree, it's got a really solid foundation and Lemmy's got nowhere to go but up
Hah, web 2.0 was all about the explosion of user-generated content. Corps and cryptonerds wanted to make web 3.0 about making money, but the web has always been about the content, not its monetization. In trying to monetize the content, they're alienating people and forcing them off the platforms they defaulted to.
Humans like to create and share content, no matter how easy or difficult it is to monetize. If the people who want to monetize humanity's collective output make it harder to create, then hopefully the result is that people move off the ad-supported platforms and replace them with something that doesn't rely on centralization with lots of capital to stay afloat.
If nothing else, the way that youtube has made it impossible for segments of the creative community to monetize their content and forced them rely on platforms such as patreon has made it more and more clear that ad-generated revenue is a dead end. You can't force people to view advertising unless you hold their content hostage, and for the first time in history, they can't buy out the means of production.
I was resistant to the federverses, but these corpos just think they can get away with anything...
Fuck them I won't do what they tell me!
It will be fun to watch this place grow, it feels like the start of a new story!
Based on what?
https://youtu.be/isDxwpDvHs0
DamonAmazing
No, you're amazing
federverses
I'm more a fan of the nadalverses, but to each their own.
DRxOk apparently my gif did not work
replace them with something that doesn’t rely on centralization with lots of capital to stay afloat
That's what's silly about the whole thing, there's absolutely no conceivable reason that reddit shouldn't be profitable right now with the market saturation they have... unless the majority of people currently making money off of it have been greedy assholes up until now trying to get their piece of the easy money pie. 99% of the work is done by "unpaid" (by reddit) mods yet somehow they still have 2k people on the payroll, it's hard to imagine most of their current expenses are going to anything but dumb tech company money sinks that are going out of style fast lol
replace them with something that doesn’t rely on centralization with lots of capital to stay afloat
There's absolutely no conceivable reason that reddit shouldn't be profitable right now with the market saturation they have unless the majority of people who've been making money off of the site up untilo now have been minimal effort contributors now trying to get their piece of the money pie. 99% of the work is done by "unpaid" (by reddit) mods yet somehow they still have 2k people on the payroll and still need to centralize more and more capital to cover the overhead, it's hard to imagine most of their current expenses are going to anything but dumb tech company money sinks that are going out of style and have little to show for the last decade of spending lol
berkeleyblueI mean that’s maybe the only good thing: If they are a public traded company, they have to file public revenue reports. Would love to see where those morons burn their money…
2k people in expensive San Francisco office space.
Willing to bet that the % of them dedicated to improving user experience was quite low in comparison to those trying to figure out how to squeeze money out of it.
Every single platform that has claimed "Web 3.0" has been revealed to be a crypto scam, and generally not even a sneaky one. Pop over to minds.com if you'd like a free taste of exactly what that ends up looking like. It's disgusting.
Very much aware of that.
PottedPlantGood God, minds.com is a cesspool.
Jim The VHS Wizard So you're saying that the real web3 was... the friends we made along the way?
Odinweb3 was within us the whole time
web3, uh, finds a way
BCasI think we as users defining the future of the web would be a great outcome. Here's to the start of a long project.
The future of the internet isn't artificially scarce digital collectibles? 😲
It better be! I spent millions on jpgs of monkeys! /s
Please tell me they weren't highly compressed jpegs
cyber_kalashnikovWell, how are they supposed to accommodate millions of monkeys in a single file then? Huh? /s