The strangest thing to me about our social tools and networks is how super-limited their feature-sets and philosophies have been in human terms.

It feels like designing a house entirely around the best use of new light-switch technology. How can we reinvent the bathmat???

It's weird.

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@kissane so, I think one reason for this is that it's agonizing to build new social graphs.

It would be nice to build apps that do new things in different ways, but re-use our existing graphs.

Facebook Platform worked like this. You could build games, tools, or apps using the FB graph and identity. OpenSocial had a similar system, but built as an open standard.

This is why we built the ActivityPub API - to encourage this kind of client-side innovation. I'd like to see that used more here.

@evan @kissane I'm convinced that the "social graph" is at best a mirage, but in general a broken technological strut.

We have many contexts that we fluidly exist in; I don't "add a connection" to the person I buy coffee from, but they might be or become a good friend, one I might later drift away from.

Reifying these dynamics is something that benefits entities like Facebook, but all *we* need are ways to communicate with eachother.

@evan @kissane I've been thinking a lot about how so many of the formerly public groups have moved to private ad-hoc spaces on WhatsApp, Signal, etc – but with vastly more limited interfaces. I don't have an Apple phone, but I understand Apple's photo sharing works similarly.

What's the ["rich media", adaptive space] ActivityPub or Bluesky or [protocol] equivalent of private group chats, where we have a thousand ephemeral micro-graphs, rather than a few big and relatively static ones?

@blaine

@evan @kissane

One of the benefits of the big corporate social graphs is that sign on via them provides an email address, which is crucial for many applications, especially the subscription-based indie economy where lots of experiments are happening in community building. E.g. can someone sign up to a newsletter using an ActivityPub related account?

Is there something I'm missing in ActivityPub that makes that part of one's social graph shareable? Ditto for phone numbers per Blaine

@blaine @evan That inability of tech tools to reflect or support the ephemerality and subtlety of social connections is one of the big glowing weak points to me, yeah. I think it's one reason even clunky tools like livejournal felt better/more human to a lot of people than many later forms.
@blaine @Evan Prodromou @Erin Kissane Depends on what you want.

If you're looking for something like WhatsApp or Signal, that'd be the #Matrix and #XMPP protocols. Both are free and open standards, both are old and mature enough to come with their own well-established mobile apps if you need one, and both have moderated public and private multi-user chats amongst their features.

If you're looking for something that's part of the #Fediverse, then #Friendica, #Hubzilla and #Streams offer not only public groups/forums, but also private ones. And when I say "private", I mean it because they aren't bound to the limitations of what #ActivityPub would allow them to do server-side. At the same time, they're federated with #Mastodon etc.
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