current lemmy states

https://lemmy.world/post/42894

current lemmy states - Lemmy.world

People need to realize you can use alternatives

tbf people just wanna sign up and click on funny links, not browse through 100 rando instances to find the one that lines up with their exact interests and wait for approval and worry about uptime and whether their instance will still exist in a year

I feel that, while lemmy is still a work in progress, it is already pretty adequate for solving this need. If you want to subscribe to other instances you can do it from within your insance by going up to communities and searching. You can also click the all tab and see a bunch of instances from around lemmy that your instance is federated with.

I think mastadon struggled with this because the twitter model is to follow people and depending how far removed the servers are this can be trickier. Compared to lemmy where people interested in a single subject will likely target and find the subject theyre interested in and bring themselves together naturally.

Furthermore I think some people are splitting up and dividing into sub instances and tiny subjects a little prematurely. Reddit didnt get super esoteric with it's subs until it got big and the larger subs either declined or got too noisy to talk about certain things. Like for example how beehaw has an operatingsystems instance instead of a linux, ubuntu, macos, windows, fedora, archinux, opensuse, openbsd, etc. Right now there arent enough of us that we dont need to subdivide.

I've seen people literally signing up here just to make like 50 empty communities and not post or comment on anything at all. Definitely a lot of folks just trying to stake some territory that they think will be valuable in the future.
Good thing this is pretty pointless, since I can have the same community name in another instance.
Im sure some of it is staking out territory, but I think a good chunk of it is just that modern reddit mindset. The mindset is that of course you cant have good gaming discussion on gaming you need to have truegaming, and games, and linux_gaming, and patientgamers, and etc. The thing is you can and things are small enough on all instances even lemmy.ml and beehaw that you can talk about it in one place. ~___~

The reason reddit had so many is that it would rapidly homogenise into giant echo chambers with minimal community. Minority perspectives were supressed or drowned out by lurker voting.

New subs were being made to recapture giant subs' original intentions, or specialise, yo put minority perspectives of the Hot page and curate a community as a result.

Lemmy isn't big enough to homogenise like that, at least not yet.

I'm personally kind of hoping that the existence of smaller instances and multiple same-niche communities on Lemmy provides a way to avoid that phenomenon. Like, it'll probably happen to communities on the Big Instances, I imagine, but on the more limited ones... maybe not?
I like how Beehaw is doing it. Slowly introducing new servers as there is demand for it.

I also like the beehaw has a mission for community in mind, supported by having an application process; and their having prepared umbrella communities that will prevent echo chambers.

Beehaw is definitely getting hammered too though; it's probably the second- or third-largest instance atm.

Let me see if I underatand this correctly:

If I create an account on a random, small instance. And then go to the "all communities" feed. I can automatically see all communities that are in my instance. In addition to that, I can see all communities of other Lemmy instances, that are "federated". But I cannot see other communities from other nstances, unless I go on there, find the communitis and manually subscribe to them (I believe there are other ways to get them to show up, like using the search etc.?)

So, as a normal user. Who's just looking for a replacement for /r/all, wouldn't joining the largest lemmy instance that is fedarated to many others (Just by how many users it has, because it's the users who link instances by their actions?) make perfect sense?

The all communities tab should be showing you communities from every instance you are federated with. It's true that they won't show up in your feed until someone on your instance connects to the instance it's on at least once, but you don't need to be on a massive server to be connected to all the major communities right from the start.
This. There's no need to join the biggest instance, as long as you're not among an instance's first users you won't notice much difference.

worry about uptime and whether their instance will still exist in a year

that's the biggest thing for me, it's hard to sign up on smaller ones without worrying about its long-term viability

As someone who intentionally joined a different instance, the biggest issue is the “federation” doesn’t allow cross-authentication. Clicking a link to another instance moves me to that instance where I’m not logged in. Authentication should really be cross-instance.
assuming the servers are properly federated you should be getting a link that is still on your server. i mean, you got to this lemmy.ml link alright at least
Yeah, I can manually search and find communities, but hyperlinks move you to the other instance (on a webpage; browsing within an app like mlem seems to work)
links that you find while browsing on reddthat.com will send you to other instances? that's super odd, I'm not getting that behavior with midwest.social or lemmy.ml, using mobile or desktop firefox. just pasting the links into the search to find your instance's version of the post is a bit of a janky workaround but it should work. you might try posting in https://reddthat.com/c/[email protected]
I agree with you
This is something I also find strange. If I click a link to an instance, I want to view their content and not visit their homepage, where I am not logged in and cannot do anything.

I think this occurs because people haven't gotten used to linking to communities on other instances properly.

They usually post the direct link like beehaw.org/c/technology . Instead they should start using the federated link which is more instance agnostic like this: /c/[email protected] . This link will load the community from your instance.

FWIW, on a browser the /c/technology link you posted isn’t a hyperlink, so I can’t actually interact with it. It doesn’t work in mlem either.
Yeah. A shorter-term solution might be a browser plugin that recognizes links like that and converts it to a hyperlink to that community on whatever instance you tell it. I'm not a programmer but that does seem like a relatively simple plugin for somebody that actually knows what they're doing.
Yeah, I’m sure we’ll eventually get apps and such that handle it better.
It’s the ui that should rewrite links to the local instance
How would that work?
The devs of kbin and Lemmy have that on their list of things to do, make cross-instance links work nicer. But they have a lot on their plate at a moment, so it could be some time before that comes about.
I don't really get the difference. And can I visit different servers from the one I'm on? I don't see a way to on Jerboa
Jerboa now doesn't have community search, but you can visit your instance website and subscribe. If it hasn't needed community, go to community search and put full community name prepended with !, like ! [email protected]. then wait for like 10s and do the search again, your instance will fetch it and add to its community list.
I seem to be able to search for communities, because I found gaming lol. I'm wondering about instances, though
On jebora on the bottom next to the home button is the community list view and you can search it to find instances. In addition to that from the home page if you click the little filter icon(that one with the three lines creating a triangle shape down) you can select all and it will show you links federated with your instance as well.
I don't seem to be able to find instances on the community search, nor do communities show up when I type "!community@instance" could this be a bug?
there are bugs with it currently, when you do the search click on Next Page and it should show up then, might take 10 seconds or so

Here's what I see when I try to type in a community not followed by anyone on my server. There's no next or anything. The three dots in the upper right corner don't do anything

Just tried switching to my account on a different server and found that community as it was followed by someone else in that server. Odd that I can't just find it on this one.

What if you click on this?

[email protected]

Actually wait this one isn't working for me either from your instance, but memes did

Might be an issue with your instance? It works on mine, maybe they just need to update? Actually it seems like both our instances are running on v0.17.3

Maybe. At least I'm in enough instances now that I can start getting into the groove of things and see what's up with the site

Might be

When I search I'm able to see instances I haven't joined yet

And join

But it's all still a new app so who knows

First I created account there and then landed on my current instance, because lemmy.ml's admin views looks sketchy for me. Been living in ex-ussr for all my life I just cant accept all that communists and marxists and the fact that lemmy.ml has /c/Communism on it.

I know that's silly but that's why I'm not there anymore.

This is why I didn't choose lemmy.ml as my local instance.
No that is not silly you got a fair point
It's not silly at all. I also made an account there before realizing the admins are tankies. It honestly sketches me out about Lemmy in general considering they're the two lead (and currently only?) devs. Casts a big shadow over all of Lemmy when the devs are posting Xinjiang genocide denialism and their instance is at the top of the recommendations on join-lemmy.org. With lemmy.grad pretty high up there too.

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Are you familiar with the Nayirah Testimony?
Nayirah testimony - Wikipedia

Is it possible to move instances once I'm registered or do I have to create totally new account on other instance?
You'd need to sign up for a totally new account. There is talk of adding a migration feature but obviously that'll require a bit of patience, they've got a long list of feature requests!
I just saw on GitHub it's the feature is low on their priority list. I guess I'm gonna register to another instance. 🤷‍♂️
Understandable enough I suppose, there's more crucial things atm! I do hope they get there eventually though, it's a handy fallback feature over on Mastodon.
Unfortunately an account transfer feature is pretty complicated to develop so it might still be a while. Devs need to make sure it doesn't cause issues with federation when content changes home instances and domains, and transferring live user content over while retaining points, interactions by other accounts, and while having the same timestamp but now being hosted on a different instance, while ensuring there is only one canonical location/URL of the content on the fediverse, is not easy.
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Profit motive ruined Reddit so you’ve come to a place created by communist then get upset that the people who made and operate it are communists. Yeah that’s more than a little silly.
There's a difference between being a communist and blindly supporting authoritarian dictatorships wearing communist masks.
I've not really looked into it too deeply because every single mile-long screed about this "controversy" starts off by clutching pearls about communists. Can you link me to where this is happening without paragraphs of dissembling preamble?

This is the lead dev on Russia's invasion, total support here and other comments:

https://old.reddit.com/r/TheGangGoesLeft/comments/tcu04j/whats_with_all_these_totenkopf_symbols_on_your/i0g1itl/

A few months later, they've apparently flipped on the issue entirely and now support US aid:

https://old.reddit.com/r/SocialistRA/comments/y2rzhg/interview_with_anarchocommunist_combat/is5yno0/?context=1000

I'm not very concerned with the "communist" or tankie part fwiw. And while I do have strong opinions on Russia's invasion, I'm far more concerned with the 180 shift in position displayed here, and I have yet to find an explanation. I don't think he wants to talk about it, but a quick "I changed my mind because xyz" could alleviate my concerns. Clear communication is important if you're gonna have such strong opinions imo.

I'm not trying to villainize him or cancel lemmy, he seems like a decent person and we've even had a brief interaction here... But I hope you can see why I'm cautious about things. The whiplash is my main issue, not which side he picks.

And I'm not here to stir the pot, it's just that you specifically asked and I had already personally looked into things.

Mods: I won't be spamming this, just wanted to put it out there once.

However... if the platform prospers and attracts enough other devs, none of this even remotely matters, and that's why I'm still here, I want to believe this can be set aside.

I appreciate it. This is not as damning as I would have expected, to be frank. I won't say I fully agree with that interpretation of the war but it's a lot more nuanced than just blindly supporting an authoritarian regime "wearing a communist mask". Russia is not now nor does it even pretend to be communist in any capacity.

To be honest even with this hot take on Russia i'd say his politics are still probably more closely aligned with any given Redditor than the people who run Reddit.

Yup, I'd agree. But again our politics shouldn't need to align, that's not my yardstick at all
Yeah, it's just funny that some people are using that yardstick here and now when it never seemed like the political views of the Reddit admin were a problem until they took away the mobile phone apps.
That's true, and the Reddit administrators are ardent neoliberals, but that's just the thing: People don't call things "political" until it's "politics that I disagree with" [or, sometimes, explicitly dealing with the topic of politicians/elections]. The reddit emigrants had no problem with neoliberalism being pushed hard on reddit with zero transparency because they themselves are liberals.

undefined> I’m not very concerned with the “communist” or tankie part fwiw.

Then why were you doing the "red fash" spiel just a single comment earlier if you don't care about it? No one thinks Russia is communist except a minority of senile Republicans who literally forgot about the founding of the Russian Federation.

Since they didn't really answer your question, I can say that the people complaining are basically the type who are "As Progressive As They Come" who think it's evil and indicative of brainwashing or ulterior motive to speak positively of China, Venezuela, Cuba, etc. They just can't help but immediately jump to buzzwords instead of concretely describing people's positions.

I'm not upset about their political views. For me its just too painful to read something like "Russia didn't start that war, its NATO" while I'm currently fleeing from conscription to Russian army to fight against Ukrainian people I respect more than citizens of my motherland.

So, I make only choice I find suitable in that situation: avoid places where this behaviour is fine for mods and gains upvotes.

Oh no ;_;

Any recommended communities? (or ones to avoid)