Is anyone else beginning to mourn reddit?

https://lemmy.ml/post/1178443

Is anyone else beginning to mourn reddit? - Lemmy

I’ve never been sentimental about a social media site but it’s sad for me to see reddit so clearly killing itself. Pushshift is already banned and Apollo is soon to follow. Reddit will either pivot fully to a mainstream audience or die out. It’s just sad for me to see it doing it to itself.

I've been mourning Reddit for half a decade a this point.

I felt this way about Twitter early on because Twitter for me was the third social media platform I ever experienced growing up, only with MySpace and Facebook before it.

It's sad to see Reddit go this way, but my solace is that the communities that make Reddit will survive one way or another. I'm just hoping Lemmy sees a better adoption than Mastodon has so far. I want both to thrive but I'm especially hoping for Lemmy since I spend/spent more of my time on Reddit.

Yeah I feel like Mastoden tries to do too many things at once. It feels like twitter and discord put together.
its sucks to see a site you used to like slowy becoming worst and worst, but its better to look for alternatives over sinking with the ship
The place we all moved to that was supposed to be different turning into exactly what it pro.ised to be different from

Remember that legendary times when reddit was new?

That's what's happening now in the fediverse with Lemmy and kbin, I am to excited being a part of it as to mourn about reedit.

Yeah I think it’s part of the natural cycle of social media for corporations to ruin things, increasing organisational complexity leads to management who can increasingly delude themselves their interests still align with the users when they’ve clearly drifted far apart.

I think the future is small, decentralised communities with no VCs, no ad men, and no CEOs. I’m much more excited to be a part of that than I am sad to see Reddit go.

I hope the decentralization has a chance. It could still be monetarised or "regulated to death" by government's . They both don't like the loss of control that system brings.

So we should have fun as long as it lasts.

The one thing that I am worried about for a decentralized future is incentives.

What keeps a federalized service owner going over the years? Donations alone won't account for server costs, let alone time spent maintaining code or moderating communities.

Most successful open source projects offer enterprise packages to sustain incentivization, or are a subset of a megacorp that releases (off of the top of my head: canonical, hashicorp, apache, mongodb, k8s, chromium, android, redhat) and the list goes on.

Most, if not all, of the donations based or FOSS that I have seen over the years lose traction because the hobby wears off for the core maintainers.

It's a fair question, although people kept phpBB boards running for years as hobbyist projects with decent communities on them and moderators are usually volunteers. We don't necessarily want tight-knit communities to scale to Reddit's size anyway and the only thing that's really changed other than Reddit eating the wind out of their sails for those types of self-hosted communities is that search engines are worthless spam-serving tools now so they're less discoverable which the fediverse seems like a decent enough solution to.

Nope, not at all. All products and services inevitably kill themselves when they prioritize growth against providing a high-quality service. Infinite growth is impossible and when the service's growth hits its natural limit, it will introduce quality setbacks to reach the profit goals. I'll miss the contributors on Reddit who made its communities great, but I also know these communities and their users will survive without Reddit. As for Reddit the corporation itself...

I would probably be more upset if I hadn't been permanently banned for saying 2 people harassing a disabled person in a video should be found out and held accountable.
What I mourn is not reddit. I couldn't give a shit about the company, the software, etc. What I mourn is the freedom and easy availability of information. I've always found it a bit stupid but convenient that everyone just congregated there. I'd much, however, prefer there to be specialized forums for each thing, findable through Google, perhaps federated. Decentralization is the way to go to ensure durability and freedom. Everyone being on one platform is very stupid and fragile.
I'm missing it a lot less than I ever missed Twitter…
For the most part, Reddit has sort of filled a void of community groups or random goofy videos/memes for me, as I'm not on either FB/IG or TikTok. On Reddit I could see a post about something going on in my city (Portland), a review of a game I like, a cat floofing out of a tiny vase, and a gorgeous photo of a mountainside all in the span of 30 seconds. It'll be a bummer not to have that experience any more, but I get enough value out of the Fediverse at this point (along with a few Discord servers) I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
Totally, but I'm also upset with myself for the amount of hours and content I've wasted on what is ultimately another corporate greed fest. Learned my lesson. Never again
Nah, reddit is a lame horse long past the point of getting put down being a merciful thing to do. The only reason it lasted so long is that there wasn't a viable alternative because everything else that cropped up got overran by nazis or tankies (mostly nazis from what I've seen) and that's why I'm glad reddit is cannibalizing itself. It's going to give rise to the fediverse because it can't be overran by either side of the damn horseshoe and that's going to attract the middle of the road user that makes up the majority; yeah it'll take some time but it'll happen and I'm not saying it'll be the main thing, I'm just saying it'll be a viable alternative.
I'm a bit sad we didn't have more time. But at the same time, I could see where reddit was going: it was inevitable. Once I saw what new reddit looked like, I knew this day was coming at some point. Doesn't mean I'm not sad about it though. Lots of history and useful information will be lost.

I’m mostly just upset about the fact that healthy niche communities that existed on Reddit are likely to die rather than migrate in earnest. Reddit itself has been feeling downhill pretty much from the moment I joined, but it was the only service that managed to have not only very specific niche communities, but a wealth of active ones with quality contributors.

I just joined here and haven’t lurked too much, but the format here looks nice to foster that type of growth over time. I just hope it can be rebuilt to even a portion of what I’m leaving behind.

Yes, absolutely. I love(d) Reddit! All the niche communities, all the subs that I enjoyed so much, like r/whowouldwin and r/tiktokcringe and r/askhistorians and so many more :(

I admit, I have sentimentality attached there. It sucks. It does feel almost like the loss of a friend.

Honestly, I really couldn't agree more, there really was a sub for almost anything that you could think of especially when it comes to interests and hobbies, it's just the bigger subreddits that tends to have a lot of karma-whoring and spams that makes them just not palatable to browse. While im sure lemmy would eventually have those niche communities set up, it's definitely going to take a while to do so.

I'm still expecting a relatively slow death for Reddit, perhaps even not a total one like with Digg's quick and complete collapse. I'll be sticking around Reddit past the June 30 horizon, I'll just be doing it entirely via my desktop browser. I'll probably only stop going once they get rid of Old Reddit.

This means that there'll be a gradual winding down of the communities I pay attention to, accompanied by a gradual migration to places like here. Hopefully little will be lost in the process.

Although I liked reddit, I didn't like the focus on karma. Way to many posts were made purely for in an attempt to collect karma. Ruins the conversion and litters the feed with re-posts of videos that belong to someone else.
Honestly, I've been waiting on a replacement for a while. They made a lot of poor choices ever since they dumped the AMA mod. Then there's also this thing about tencent owning a big part of Reddit...

Yes and no, as a 12 year vet.

Reddit is not what it was when I joined. Back in the early 2010's reddit really felt like the internet's evolution from forums. Not going to pretend it was the first, but it really did feel like something was special about it. The community aspect was really important back then. All of the sudden, it felt like you could literally build a community around anything, with little effort, and the "Build it and they will come" factor would kick in.

But things have spoiled since then. We have over a decade worth of "Eternal Septembers", and being a redditor turned into "being a redditor" has turned into, we'll it's just another part of social media infrastructure. Pretty much everybody I know who has use the site has basically sectioned themselves off from using the site as a a whole and just have their specific subs that they browse. I'm a programmer so I basically just use it for the programming subs and different games I play like OSRS, Factorio, etc.

And I guess, a last thought, I don't think reddit is going to die from this. I would wager the vast majority of the userbase really doesn't give a shit, and to be honest, that is fine. Like I said, reddit is part of internet social infrastructure at this point. It's probably still going to be useful to prefix google searches with "reddit some product" to find the best human reviews of that product. But for me, I don't really feel the need to keep using it day to day. I'm looking for a community and I can find it elsewhere.

@Showervagina that's too bad. It sucks when the community in your country is picking up steam (i.e. local subs on specific topic springing up, other existing communities getting more active etc.) - as the world is not only the US and not only English speaking even.

I know I might be going against the stream, but I think I will stay on Reddit until it fills with spam and shit or until Reddit goes along Musks's oh-we-love-free-speech-but-we-must-comply-with-countries-laws-that-don't-bussiness-is-bussiness-bro and starts deleting posts at the request of governments.

Musk defends enabling Turkish censorship on Twitter, calling it his “choice” [Updated]

Musk said he cannot go beyond the laws of the country to defend free speech.

Ars Technica

Been on Reddit for 15 years. Will probably hang on to a few communities that only exist there for a while longer.

I was sad and sentimental about it when it started dying years ago. The desperate "must grow until implode" path that all corporate owned platforms follow, is inevitable. At some point it'll suck too much for you to tolerate.

Make a first-party mobile app for a site that would be fine on web. Sell premium subscriptions. Sell microtransactions. Insert ads. Insert more ads. Insert ads inbetween content. Make the ads look like content. Put usability features behind Premium subscription and forbid integrations that do similar things. Try to be tiktok? Try to be a social network. Short videos! Try to be Youtube? Try to be Twitch!

I was in a bit of a panic and still am tbh. The main thing is how easy it is to find resources for any hobby or niche interest on there. It's gonna take a long time for any website to catch up the wealth of resources. I still find myself going "site:reddit.com thing I'm searching for" even though I don't interact with reddit itself too much. That's the thing that will hurt most when it's gone. That and the daily music news/discussions since I like to listen to music.

I made the decision to leave Reddit after Apollo was announced to be shutting down. I'll hang around until Apollo dies, but I'm already mourning the loss of niche communities. I can only hope that they'll be replicated here.

On the bright side, this place being smaller in terms of userbase makes it less intimidating for me to comment more often.

Thing is, it already has a mainstream audience with the majority of its users on the official app and using the garbage redesigned website.

Just wondering if the mods and people actually making content are part of that audience or not.

I'm hoping no, and that reddit will fail like Digg given its horrible decision making the last few days. May that IPO crash and burn.

That's what I think, those who are actually interested in managing a quality sub will likely learn how the fediverse works and move, since the quality of people here will, on average, be higher than the unwashed masses.

Investment usually ultimately ruins everything. In reddit's case it's an even tighter needle to thread because the platform itself produces little value. To be attractive to investors and to produce returns on that investment (perpetually), they have to make operational decisions that prioritize monetization (like all public companies).

u/spez wants his big exit and he'll burn some of it to the ground to get it. But he'll probably get rich, so good for him.

Can we also have a moment of silence for all the other great link sites that have died?

Stumbleupon, kuro5hin, digg, fark (still exists technically but as a shell of its former self)

What was your favorite before reddit?

Maybe I’m dating myself but before Reddit it was just rss feeds for me 😅
/. for me. Pass the aspirin...
Slashdot isn't really dead though is it? Still very active, just, not as popular perhaps.
Sure enough, it is, and my mourning for "imagine a beowulf cluster of..." memes was premature! I was more following along with @Hexorg's statement of how he consumed news before Reddit.
A simulacra shambles on.

Slashdot is not only still alive, but it's not even bad.

It's not what it used to be, though. Back in the CmdrTaco days, when it was the place to go for Linux news, it felt like it was part of a movement. Now it's just kind of...there...hanging on. Not bad, just not exciting.

It's cool to go into the Slashdot comments these days and still some some 3-digit (and sometimes even 2-digit) UIDs posting after all these years.

Bannination and its successor zombn. Small, funny, and I met my wife there!

Reddit in general was never really a good place in my opinion. There are some really great subreddits with a nice community and good moderation. But Reddit in general? There’s far too much racism and misogyny covered up or even encouraged by the admins.

I’m going to miss what it could have and me leaving the site has begun years ago when I left all default subreddits. All this now is part of the enshittification of the internet and most people don’t seem to care. They still use Twitter, they continue using Instagram and they will continue using Reddit because they prefer what the companies tell them is a good user experience. They now prefer ads and an easy onboarding process to enhanced privacy and some missing features.

It's the helpful communities that I would really miss. Like /r/skyrimmods as an example with wonderfully done community guides. Those type of resources would be a shame to lose, since if you aren't interested in socializing they are an amazing resource.
We definitely need a SkyrimMods cummunity somewhere in the Fediverse.
It's definitely sad, but I have hope for Lemmy and other alternatives.

Yes and no, I loved reddit's simplicity and compatibility with third-party applications. There was basically a subreddit for everything.

My feelings about reddit started to change when they implemented the new reddit frontend. Another change was that some big subreddits have mods who are on a power trip - so a simple discussion was impossible. Now they have taken away my favorite application - Apollo.

I'm pretty sure reddit will survive, but with worse content anyway, because reddit as a business doesn't care about quality of content, they only care about engagement.

On the other hand, I'm "happy" reddit did what they did, and because such a decision to limit the API or introduce nonsense only promotes the development of a federated and decentralized social internet. It reminds me of the "old internet", which I miss a lot, and I'm very happy to see its revival and people using it.

I would probably say mourn is a strong word, but it is probably appropriate. I used to use reddit to keep up to date with various topics and to share in the community with some niche circles. Unfortunately, the writing is on the wall and it's time to stop reminiscing on better times. I'm here now, looking forward to learn this site.
No, Reddit is trash. What you're missing is the small communities that made it worth enduring. Those communities are created and inhabited by people like us. They will live on somewhere else—maybe even here.
That's my sentiment as well. It's just a transition period.
I actually liked silly shitposts/memes that reach the top of /r/funny and the like. The good ones were far and in between but there was just so many people posting that you’d see a good one per day

This is actually the real reason I joined Lemmy. I joined Reddit back in 2012 and as it grew, it slowly became the crapshoot it is today with memes. Shit, remember when comment replies of just "🤣🤣🤣" was literally THE definition of a downvote-able comment? "Adding nothing to the discussion"

I'm SO happy to get away from the shitposts, and hope the lack of ease of joining the fediverse stays as a barrier against users who post that crap, and they remain on Reddit and TikTok.

Yeah there’s proper time and place for jokes but it definitely gets annoying when you look for a discussion.
Someone mentioned poop knife, cumbox and more over at Reddit today, so much memories were made there, the place will certainly be missed.
I just hate the fact that 4chan will survive reddit...

I'm going to miss the Star Trek sub but I am hoping the Lemmy one will pick up.

Overall, Reddit has suffered over the years allowing blatant right wing build ups to take root. My old local sub was seeing dog whistles pop up and general quality of the sub sufferes, even more so when the local football people came over and brought their 'banter' with them along with shit posts. The mods didn't really do anything to guide the quality of the sub and I left it last year. Today I deleted my account. No regrets.

Im hoping we get a lot more instances for various niches. Id love ones for particular niche fandoms, like Metroidvanias, or PC gaming, or particular entertainment genres, or animal gifs, that break down into further communities. For example, an pop-nerdy entertainment one could have c/startrek, c/marvel, c/starwars, etc, and only focus on that kind of content.

I dont think one particular instance like Beehaw should have anything more than what the default subs do on reddit

You know what? I'd not even thought of having a seperate instance for stuff like that. I may need to take a look in to how much it would cost and what the moderation effort would be like.
Beehaw posted their financials, not too expensive. As for moderation, you'll be the admin of your little instance, but you can allow others to mod communities on it. Still considering setting up one instance for my interests (many of them, probably most of them, don't have communities today in all of Lemmy), but I'm already on call at work and the idea of having to moderate something gives me pause...
the UPDATED financials of Beehaw as of June 2023 (and how you can help our website stay up and be more reliable) - Beehaw

hey folks, here’s another meta-post. this one isn’t specifically in response to the massive surge of users, but the surge is fortuitously timed because i’ve been intending to give a good idea of what our financial stability is like. as a reminder, we’re 100%-user funded. everything you donate to us specifically goes to the website, or any outside labor we pay to do something for us. thanks to your generous support, we’re pretty confident we have passed our current break-even point for this month, at which we wouldn’t eventually need to pay out of our own pockets to keep the site running. that point in our estimation is about $26 a month or $312 a year. (please ignore OC’s estimated yearly budget–we don’t determine it lol) our expenses are currently: - $18/mo toward our host, Digital Ocean. (yesterday we upgraded from DO’s $12 tier to its $18 tier to mitigate traffic issues and lag, and it’s really worked out!) - $2/mo for weekly backups - $4/mo for daily snapshots of the website, which would allow us to restore the website in between the weekly backups if need be. for a total of at least $26/mo in expenses. this may vary from month to month though, so we’re baking in a bit of uncertainty with our estimation. we currently have, for the month of June: - $70/mo in recurring donations (at least for June) - $200 this month in one-time donations for a total of $270 this month. our total balance now stands at $331.31. that balance means we now have about a year months of reserves currently, if we received no other donations and have no unexpected expenses.[^1] the recurring donations put us well into the green at this point. this is good! everything past our break-even point each month is, to be clear, money we can save and put toward scaling up our infrastructure. there is no downside to donating after we’ve already met our “goal” of basic financial stability. doing so will have pretty straightforward practical implications for you: fewer 500s, 503s, better image support (this takes a lot of space!), and the website generally being run on more than potato hardware.[^2] if you’d like to do so in light of this information, our OpenCollective page is this post’s link. thanks folks! [^1]: we will have at least one upcoming expense but its size is TBD, and so is how we’ll pay for it [^2]: especially during times like now, where we’ve likely been getting thousands or tens of thousands of hits an hour

I know how you feel, reddit felt different from other sites for me because it had so much info nested in a fairly accessible way, there's so many communities with so much personal lore, discussion and knowledge of such particular things and hobbies.

I'm not sure the direction they're trying to take reddit will manage to keep that vibrant part of the site alive.

I've checked out for a couple years ago.

In many ecosystems, wildfires are nature's way of regenerating the earth,

Reddit needs to die unfortunately. The last 5 years of development was spent on shitty stickers and nfts that no one will even remember. The project has zero vision, no wonder they want to cash out.
I'm looking forward to seeing a new concept, from someone. A new idea all together. Like TikTok/vine or IG. Maybe even something not social media related.