@Leroy @timmy

There is a line.

I am not going to kill Communists for attempting to impose a "dictatorship of the proletariat", even thought they are literally arguing to enslave me.

But as soon as they cross the line into mayhem, I will kill as many as I can.

@Nobody @timmy do you know what dictatorship of the proletariat actually means? Nobody wants to enslave you. If you're afraid of the proletariat, maybe it's because you're not a part of it?

@Leroy @timmy

It means taking a group of people who were formerly undistinguished, and giving them total control of every human life.

As soon is the dictators becomes a dictators, they is not longer part of the proletariat. by definition.

They are just the new privileged class.

@Nobody @timmy you frame it as if one person would be the leader. While historically that would make sense when attached to the word dictatorship, the actual phrase "dictatorship of the proletariat" means literally everyone is in charge and everyone has a say. It's the ultimate form of democracy. The people at the bottom are the ones who make all the decisions until everyone is on equitable terms with everyone else and therefore there no longer is a bottom. The eventual goal of Communism is a stateless classless moneyless society AKA anarchism

@Leroy @timmy

And why are 3,000 tyrants one mile away better than 1 tyrant 3,000 miles away?

It is a group of people that wants to control my life. As I am not a conformist, I do not want what most people want. So a system where the majority has the power to abuse the minority any way they want ( e.g. Nazi Germany or the USSR ) is not a good system for me.

But you do you ... I think that Pinochet should have refrained from throwing people out of helicotors, and should have, instead, flown them to Cuba and returned with a planeload of refugees.

Let the communists live the the communist places, the fascists live in the fascist places, and the liberty lovers live in the free places.

There is enough earth for everybody.

Except that every inch of the earth is claimed by some government that will murder you if you try to ignore them.

So we gotta get rid of that, someplace.

@Nobody @timmy anarchism is the ultimate form of freedom, fascism has no place anywhere. These are absolute truths

@Leroy @timmy

I agree about anarchism ... much better than Democracy, because the minority can defend itself from the majority ...

But if there is fascism somewhere on earth, that is fine with me. I want to have someplace to put fascists who tried to impose fascism on my community, and prison is worse than murder.

So let some country be a theocracy, and deport the theocrats there.

Let some other country be fascist, and deport the fascists there.

Let another be communist, and deport the fascists there.

And let still another be anarchy, and deport the anarchists there.

@Nobody @timmy no, fascists don't have a place on earth. Giving them that space just allows them to organize and spread their hate and violence. Fascists need to be shot dead where they stand. No exceptions

And again, the ultimate goal of Communism is anarchism

@Leroy @timmy

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.

In practice there generally is.

Fascism and Communism are pretty much indistinguishable in practice.

@Nobody @timmy for the 50th time in this thread you've proven you have no idea what you're talking about. I bet you think the Nazis were socialists just because they put the word socialism in the name of their party

@Leroy @timmy

I think they are socialists because there are two options: free markets, and socialism ... socialism being defined as a system where command and control is the organizing principle of socieety.

In a free market, the government would not have the power to tell companies that they could not hire Jews. In a socialist "market" they would.

Ownership is defined as "the right to exclude others".

if the government can exclude you from your property, but you cannot exclude them from it, they own "your property", and you do not.

@Nobody @timmy you've absolutely proven that you don't understand the meanings of a single word you just said. The Nazis are not socialists. The Nazis are fascists. Learn what fascism actually means, and then look at their policy decisions. They called themselves socialists before they made it into power because a war-torn post WWI Germany was extremely sympathetic towards socialist policy

@Leroy @timmy

All totalitarians are socialists.

A totalitarian government controls everything.

A socialist government controls the economy.

You cannot control everything without controlling the economy.

Q.E.D.

@Nobody @timmy you're just saying words again still without any regard or knowledge of what they actually mean.

@Leroy @timmy

I am giving you definitions.

You speak leftist, I speak Libertarian. Others speak rightest.

I am relatively fluent in leftist, having grown up a hippy and followed the Dead for many years.

But the modern authoritarian leftists are not the same. They are in love with war and killing.

@Nobody @timmy hippies are liberals, not leftists.

@Leroy @timmy

There are many flavors of hippies. There are those who want the government to do everything, and there are those who just want the government to get out of the way so they can live their way.

I am the latter sort, if you did not guess.

@Nobody @timmy so what you're saying is you're a liberal, which is a right wing ideology mind you. Literally a half step away from being the Nazi you claim not to be

@Leroy @timmy

I am not a liberal, I am an anarchist.

Not the same thing.

I am close to what a was once called a liberal, but more consistent.

@Nobody @timmy you're not an anarchist. I'm an anarchist. You are definitely not one of us

@Leroy @timmy

You are probably an Anarcho-Communist, or a Anarcho-Syndacalist.

I could do Anarcho-Syndacalism ( under certain conditions, e.g., anybody can start their own syndicates and compete with the existing ones ) but not communist.

The thing about anarchy is, not everybody is going to anarchy the same way. That's the breuty of it.

I am a Motley Anarchist, or an Anarchist without Adjectives.

Which more or less means I am content to do me, and let you do you.

@Nobody @timmy you're not any type of anarchist, but if you somehow were you'd be an ancap, and we don't claim those. They don't make anarchy any better, they just make capitalism worse

@Leroy @timmy

I used to be an ancap. Then I realized that it was an incomplete solution. Because it implies that everybody everywhere would do things our way.

But that cannot happen without massive violence.

So I am now a Motley Anarchist.

You can do it your way where you are, and I'll do it my way where I am, and I'll be way too busy to try to control you.

So I'll leave you and yours alone, so long as you leave me and mine alone.

@Nobody @timmy if you were even an ancap there's no way you could ever be a real anarchist. You also self identified as a libertarian, which is not the same thing

@Leroy @timmy

My goals in life do not include being a "real anarchist" by your definition, any more than your goals are likely dominated by a desire to be a "real anarchist" by my definition.

@Leroy @timmy

That is wrong in at least two ways.

First, I don't want states at all.

Second, unless you call "anarchist" an ethnicity, the jurisdiction which I would choose would not be any sort of an ethnostate. I don't give a fuck about your skin color. I want to live around people who are willing to let me live my life in my own way.

I'm delighted to have those who want such things fuck off and find one, though. That way I don't have to deal with them, or even trouble myself to fight with them.

@Nobody @timmy allowing people who want to create ethnostates the freedom to do so is effectively the same thing as creating one yourself. The only place where fascists and Nazis belong is hell, and they deserve to be sent there painfully

@Leroy @timmy

So submit to your judgement or be murdered.

If you want my life, come and take it, if you can.

But don't expect me to go softly into that black night.

And don't expect to find me unarmed or helpless.

@Nobody @Leroy this is like the 3rd time in this thread that you’ve offered that others ought to come try to kill you. Do you fantasize about shooting people who come to your house a lot? Or is your rugged individualism somehow bulletproof
@timmy @Nobody the libertarian dream is to die in combat defending their shitty ideals

@Leroy @timmy

Whereas the commie dream is to murder every dissenter until mankind is one undifferentiated mass of sheep incapible of thinking for themselves in "defense" of their shitty and tyrannical views.

@Nobody @timmy no the communist dream is anarchism. Real anarchism. Stateless classless moneyless society. As I explained to you before. But you should know that considering you called yourself an anarchist even though you're clearly not one

@Leroy @timmy

Some of us think money is a good idea. Especially real money, like gold or crypto.

We would just be murdered, since you have to control every single human, right?

@Nobody @timmy crypto is the exact opposite of real money. Gold is the only thing we have that counts as "real currency" and we don't want that either. Currency isn't necessary in a society that takes care of all of its people

@Leroy @timmy

As for crypto, it is a wonderful thing, especially because it may save the world from the endless warfare imposed by the bankers.

But eventually, crypto will probably exist as claim checks against resources.

Crypto in it's current state is great only because the alternative is the government printing out as much money as they want, impoverishing most of society.

But it will improve over time.

@Nobody @timmy useless data whose only purpose is to create more useless data isn't a good thing. Crypto won't stop shit, and all it does is ruin the environment with the amount of physical resources required to host it.

@Leroy @timmy

If you find the data useless, ignore it.

I find it useful, so I will not.

@Nobody @timmy I will not ignore it, it's destroying our environment. It has to go

@Leroy @timmy

How many people are you willing to murder to get your way?

@Nobody @timmy the absolute minimum number possible, but still as many as it takes

@Leroy @timmy

And again, the bloodthirsty, murderous nature of the "dictatorship of the prolatariat" is exposed.

To you, it is not enough to live the life you want.

You have to murder or enslave all dissenters.