Liam @ GamingOnLinux đ§đŽLinus, creator of Linux, being âwokeâ as heck. Win.
Linky: https://mastodon.social/@torvalds@social.kernel.org/110504868267735370
Respect to Linus for the stance. Bigots have no place in any of my communities either.
Nobody@gamingonlinux So, anybody who disagrees with the government on anything should be excluded from society?
Why not exclude the mass murderers of the government from society instead?
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@Nobody @gamingonlinux Iâm not sure if youâre aware, but the Linux kernel is not actually a government agency
I have been hacking Linux since the 1990's.
The point is that the government and their stenographers in the media ... the Establishment, we used to call it ... now call all dissent racism.
Even dissenting against Nazi projects like forcing unwilling people to participate in medical experiments.
@Nobody @gamingonlinux who in this scenario is doing this? Linus Torvalds? GamingOnLinux? Who are you mad at?
@timmy @gamingonlinux It is being done all over.
First they justify violence against Nazis ... then they define everybody who disagrees with them as Nazis. If you have not noticed, open your eyes and pay attention.
@Nobody @gamingonlinux can you define âtheyâ as you use it here?
Establishment loving sheep.
@Nobody @gamingonlinux take a look at yourself, youâre flying off the handle because Linus Torvalds said heâs fine with some really uncontroversial things. You then brought up ânazi medical experimentsâ which I assume is something about the Covid vaccine, which no one else brought up. Youâre the one uncritically buying into an ideology here
Yes, the ideology of freedom is very important.
That's why I moved to New Hampshire. Their motto is "Live Free or Die'.
Comes from a quote: "Live Free or Die; Death is Not the Worst of Evils".
What is the worst of evils?
Slavery is the worst of evils.
By the way, one does not "uncritically" break with the brainwashing of the establishment. One breaks with the brainwashing of the establishment by being critical.
@Nobody Iâm not sure what your great rebellion is, so far youâve gotten red, mad, and nude online over Linus expressing his opinion. What freedom is that?
LironThose are the reasonable ones.
But the psychopaths who run the government and the public schools encourage you to make many unreasonable ones.
They can't let you think that there is actually an alterantive to being owned by the mass murdering psychopaths who murdered a million people in Iraq, and didn't have the decency to say "OOOps, our bad!".
There are different kinds of woke. Some woke is toxic. Some woke is just paying attention.
There is also "left woke" and "right woke".
"Left woke" is hating all white people because "all white people are racist".
"Right woke" is hating all trans people because some trans people are opposed to free speech.
@Nobody @timmy well no, not really. Remember how we said applying definitions to words that don't mean those things is bad? You did that with your entire comment. "Woke" as it's used today has a real origin in social justice movements. It literally means seeing through the bullshit that you've been sold your entire life that "this is just how the world is" even though the world as it is right now is extremely harmful to anyone who isn't a straight white dude. That's not an indictment of straight white dudes, that's just who most of the systems of the world are designed to benefit, and they don't have to be. The right didn't like that they would have to have equal footing with people of other races, genders, religions, etc. so they took the word and artificially ascribed it to anything they don't like. Literally anything. They're using it wrong and so are you. And trans people don't wanna limit free speech, they wanna not be violently harassed. There's a huge difference
As for straight white dudes, the system is designed to fuck us as well.
It is designed to benefit the tiny population of psychopaths, who do the violence, and the sociopaths who are the politicians.
Cops, soldiers, bankers, politicians.
Masters.
And yes, many trans people want to make it actually illegal to, for example, call them something they don't like. Kinda like if other people wanted to outlaw the word "cis" because it is insulting.
You can not like things that people say or believe. Doesn't give you the right to enslave or to murder them.
@Nobody @timmy trans people not wanting to be misgendered is not a bad thing and lumping that in with the rest of this conversation is really showing your whole ass.
As for the rest, you clearly have class consciousness but you don't have any other kind of consciousness, like race or gender consciousness. Those things are all linked. You cannot win the class war without understanding how the class system affects people of different races/genders/religions/etc. differently and more harshly than it currently does for straight white dudes.
Not wanting to be misgendered is not abnormal. Or bad.
Wanting to respond to misgendering or other trivial insults with violence is abnormal, and bad.
Well, wanting to is probably not abnormal. I'd certainly like to punch the people who call me a Nazi because I don't want a government at all. I just don't do it. Because I have a conscience. And I dont' advocate for the bullyboys of government to do it for me, either.
Words can certainly precede violence. But there is a clear line between violating the rights of others and not violating the rights of others.
You can hate me. it does not violate my rights, and I will not respond with violence.
If, however, you bring violence against me, I will do everything in my power to bring some back, faster and better than you brought yours.
That is the line.
Words are words, and the appropriate response is words.
Violence is violence, and the appropriate response is violence.
Except when the government brings violence, because they can murder you for anything or for nothing and none of the sheep will give a single fuck.
@Nobody @timmy the appropriate response to anything is based on much more than just "words are words". Some words are mean but not harmful to a specific group of people. Some words only harm specific people. The appropriate response is whatever the minimum required escalation to stop the harmful behavior is. If words can do that, then by all means. But nobody with a brain would call someone a bad person for punching a Nazi, even though without giving a shit about religious consciousness that "Heil Hitler" is just words and the Nazi salute is just an arm motion. The attempt to perpetuate hateful violence should be met with whatever force is necessary to quell it.
@Nobody @timmy you frame it as if one person would be the leader. While historically that would make sense when attached to the word dictatorship, the actual phrase "dictatorship of the proletariat" means literally everyone is in charge and everyone has a say. It's the ultimate form of democracy. The people at the bottom are the ones who make all the decisions until everyone is on equitable terms with everyone else and therefore there no longer is a bottom. The eventual goal of Communism is a stateless classless moneyless society AKA anarchism
And why are 3,000 tyrants one mile away better than 1 tyrant 3,000 miles away?
It is a group of people that wants to control my life. As I am not a conformist, I do not want what most people want. So a system where the majority has the power to abuse the minority any way they want ( e.g. Nazi Germany or the USSR ) is not a good system for me.
But you do you ... I think that Pinochet should have refrained from throwing people out of helicotors, and should have, instead, flown them to Cuba and returned with a planeload of refugees.
Let the communists live the the communist places, the fascists live in the fascist places, and the liberty lovers live in the free places.
There is enough earth for everybody.
Except that every inch of the earth is claimed by some government that will murder you if you try to ignore them.
So we gotta get rid of that, someplace.
I agree about anarchism ... much better than Democracy, because the minority can defend itself from the majority ...
But if there is fascism somewhere on earth, that is fine with me. I want to have someplace to put fascists who tried to impose fascism on my community, and prison is worse than murder.
So let some country be a theocracy, and deport the theocrats there.
Let some other country be fascist, and deport the fascists there.
Let another be communist, and deport the fascists there.
And let still another be anarchy, and deport the anarchists there.
The same can be said for communists.
But you have a right to want stupid things.
You just don't have a right to force those things on me.
So you do you .. in your space ... and I'll do me .. in my space.
I'm not going to go to war with you, unless you come after me and mine, because I don't give a shit what you do, unless and until you violate my rights, or those of somebody I love.
@Nobody @timmy if what you say can be used to perpetuate violence against others I will not defend your right to say it, sorry not sorry. The only thing fascists, Nazis and the ruling class should have a right to is a bullet to whichever part of their body will bleed them out the slowest and most painfully
But you say things that will certainly lead to violence if put into practice. You are literally arguing for your "right" to murder people because they disagree with you.
Which is a pretty fascist thing to do, or even argue for.
But until you come at me, I will not "defend myself" from you violently. I will just try to show you the error of your ways.
I think they are socialists because there are two options: free markets, and socialism ... socialism being defined as a system where command and control is the organizing principle of socieety.
In a free market, the government would not have the power to tell companies that they could not hire Jews. In a socialist "market" they would.
Ownership is defined as "the right to exclude others".
if the government can exclude you from your property, but you cannot exclude them from it, they own "your property", and you do not.
@Nobody @timmy you've absolutely proven that you don't understand the meanings of a single word you just said. The Nazis are not socialists. The Nazis are fascists. Learn what fascism actually means, and then look at their policy decisions. They called themselves socialists before they made it into power because a war-torn post WWI Germany was extremely sympathetic towards socialist policy
Were The Nazis Socialist?
"If you're afraid of the proletariat, maybe it's because you're not a part of it?"
If you're afraid of the KKK, maybe it's because you're not a part of it?
I would fear them, if they were powerful.
And yes, they want to establish a dictatorship in which every person's actions will be completely controlled by the group.
@Nobody @timmy if you're not a part of the working class, aka the proletariat, then your opinion on what we do to lift ourselves out of oppression is none of your business. However I think it's infinitely more likely that you ARE part of the working class and either you've been conditioned to fight against your own interests by the ruling class or you don't care about marginalized groups and are willing to suffer under capitalism alone if it means those people get fucked harder than you do, likely both.
@Nobody @timmy you are part of a class whether you identify with it or not. That's how the class system works. And there is no middle class, there's only people that either work or die aka the working class or people that live comfortably off the labor of others aka the ruling class. You're either one or the other, and the ruling class will be destroyed, along with you if you're part of it. Otherwise I suggest you grow some class consciousness
Thanks for the offer, but I'm not interested in being a member of any class.
I am a person, not a group.
As for your desire to murder people for being more successful than you are, well, you can want that. And I don't really care ... the Exxon board is not my friends, and if they are not paying me for security, so I am not interested in providing security for them.
But if you come after me and mind, we will fight back, and we are VERY well armed, because we know that the brainwashed are massing for attack.
@Nobody @timmy you are a person AND a part of a group. Capitalism has taught you that in order to be a real person you have to be ruggedly individualistic, but that's wrong. Humans are creatures of community and interdependence, and whether you like it or not the ruling class considers you part of the working class if you're not one of them. I'm not asking you to gain some class consciousness, at this point I'm demanding it for your own benefit
@Nobody @timmy the KKK doesn't have racial consciousness, they're racists. Racial consciousness is the ability to see how certain systems affect certain races differently than others. And they do. The world we live in does not have the same rules for all people, and pretending it does is extremely harmful.
They are very conscious of race. They are obsessed with it.
As are many others.
I am conscious of race, but I don't care about race. I care about people. Individual humans.
if you love liberty, you are my brother, regardless or race, creed or color.
If you want to control me, you are my enemy ... regardless of race, creed or color.