VertanaJun 2, 2023
Sophia June Turner

There's an official statement from #rustlang leadership on @thephd 's keynote:

https://blog.rust-lang.org/2023/05/29/RustConf.html

No personal accountability, yet, though the post alludes that individuals may come forward? It does mention the individuals have stepped back from governance positions.

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May 30, 2023 at 1:11amWeb
Show threadSophia June TurnerMay 30, 2023
(apologies for having to cross post, just want to keep everyone in the loop)
Show threadJames WidmanMay 30, 2023

@jntrnr @thephd

> [...] leaving room for individuals to publicly acknowledge their own
role.

i'm not sure what "leaving room" means...?

it seems to imply that those individuals might say nothing about this in public?

Show threadJames WidmanMay 30, 2023

@jntrnr @thephd

> those individuals have opted to step back from top-level governance roles, including leadership chat and the upcoming leadership council.

i guess that's something, but...

Show threadJames WidmanMay 30, 2023

@jntrnr @thephd it seems like there's still a significant trust issue: what keeps them from re-entering leadership in the future without ever publicly identifying themselves & admitting any wrongdoing?

What keeps them from saying, at some future date, "oh, I wasn't involved in anything underhanded; i just needed to spend more time with my family."

Show threadJames WidmanMay 30, 2023
@jntrnr @thephd and if those individuals were planning on saying something in public, **why couldn't those public statements be a part of this post**?
Show threadSophia June TurnerMay 30, 2023

@JamesWidman @thephd

I wish I knew. There should have been stronger guarantees in that post.

Show threadPär BjörklundMay 30, 2023
@jntrnr @JamesWidman @thephd shouldn't there be a record somewhere of them stepping down? Or can they keep it quiet somehow?
Show threadJames WidmanMay 30, 2023
@Paxxi @jntrnr @thephd ok, but how do we know that that record means, "i'm stepping down because i acknowledge that i abused my station", instead of (for example) "i'm stepping down because i need a break from all of this"
Show threadPär BjörklundMay 30, 2023
@JamesWidman good point
Show threadTane Piper ⁂May 30, 2023

@jntrnr @thephd @dysfun but is it enough? Servo, Crablang, many poor decisions from leadership.

It stinks tbh

Show threadsocMay 30, 2023
@jntrnr That statement is an absolute embarrassment and disgrace.
Show threadsocMay 30, 2023
@jntrnr @thephd Looks like someone stepped forward? https://hackmd.io/p3VG_bK9TXOvtgh1oA2yZQ?view
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Show threadAreYouDeeWhyMay 30, 2023
@soc @jntrnr @thephd @josh
I think it is very brave of Josh to explain his part in the recent happenings, and I thank him for that.
It is clear that there is still a lot to organize before we can be confident this won’t happen again.
It seems to me the mistakes made by Josh do not justify the different steps he’s taken. After all, I see him more as ’the messenger’. I’d understand him wanting a cooldown period.
Show threadsocMay 30, 2023

@jntrnr @thephd This leaves two open questions:

1. It was stated that interfering with keynote selection was not a singular event, but happened repeatedly. If this year the unfinished governance structure is to blame, what's to blame for the previous occurrences?

2. If the author was not the instigator, but only relaying the bad news coming from other individuals, who where these other individuals and what were their motivations?

Show threadBinyamin GreenMay 30, 2023
@jntrnr @thephd This is incredible. Rust Leadership wrote an entire blog post apologizing. They took the blame, without whining. Software projects should aspire to be this careful and considerate.