@timnitGebru @DataDrivenMD

It’s not stealing and your saying it is is the real lack of ethics. Greed over intellectual property has already wrecked huge amounts our culture as money grubbers try to monetize the joy contributed by the public.

@tqwhite @timnitGebru @DataDrivenMD

Who are the money grubbers?

artists who can't afford rent?

can you clarify?

@CrowquillGal @timnitGebru @DataDrivenMD

Yes I can.

Artists who can’t pay rent are not going to lose anything. They already are working two jobs to subsidize their passion.

Unless, of course, they are a Louisiana blues man who had to sell his intellectual property because he could not find a job. In that case he also has nothing to lose because he doesn’t have anything anymore.

@tqwhite @timnitGebru @DataDrivenMD

Should artists who cannot pay rent have their work used to enrich someone else and receive no profit?

@CrowquillGal @timnitGebru @DataDrivenMD

Should I get sued for playing the song my wife and I played when we fell in love because I did not pay NAASCAP (or whatever it is)?

There are losers either way. Intellectual@property is an oxymoron.

@tqwhite @timnitGebru @DataDrivenMD

no one sues you for playing music.

People can sue you for profiting from their music, without their consent.

Who are the money grubbers?

Who is allowed to profit from creative work?

Techbros who scrape the internet for images they don't bother to license from?

or the people educating themselves, purchasing the materials and tools required, and putting the time in to create something?

@CrowquillGal @timnitGebru @DataDrivenMD

Who are your alleged tech bros going to buy a license from? My blog? Yours? There are seven billion people. Does everyone who has ever said anything have the right to require a license? It’s not only impractical, it would be immoral to try to require it.

@tqwhite @timnitGebru @DataDrivenMD

the people who want to use an artists images to train an AI should contact the artists they want to train their system on.

Why is that hard for you to imagine?

@CrowquillGal @timnitGebru @DataDrivenMD

Because these things train on billions of things. They don’t make conscious decisions. They roam the internet and look around.

If you don’t want your stuff to be seen, don’t put it online. Require a membership.

@tqwhite @timnitGebru @DataDrivenMD

Some AI art program developers Specifically Contracted artists, and licensed agreed-upon pieces for a training set. That's an ethical process I would participate in.

AI Developers don't have to be unethical. Some are intentionally choosing to. It's part of the decision making. If they couldn't make a product ethically, they probably needed more investors. If they cared about art *at all* they'd support the artists they Need to train their product.

@CrowquillGal @timnitGebru @DataDrivenMD

Copyright is ruining our culture by exchanging artistic expression for commercial design. Further, it horribly impairs the ability of the future to benefit from new things.

I am delighted to pay artists. I pay for my streaming. Of course, most artists are screwed there, too, by copyright. But I have no interest in supporting a system that has Sir Paul cashing checks based on a stoned afternoon with John Lennon fifty years ago.