ClarkesworldI'm tired of waiting for industry organizations to respond to AI issues. Working draft of my own is here: http://neil-clarke.com/ai-statement/
henry@clarkesworld In some jurisdictions, #Copyright includes #MoralRights. Might the incorporation of a work in a data set for an LLM already constitute a violation? If your work has been used to train an LLM, regardless of consent, are you not entitled to fractional royalties? #IntellectualProperty
Baltasar Cevc@henry @clarkesworld at least here in #Germany #authorsrights (that's what we would talk about for the moral rights) are less about royalties than about deciding what can happen with your creation. That is, up to you to decide whether you want something go public or not, etc. You have less control once it's public, though. We have many borderline cases, much to find out, parts probably not ok. Don't forget that all IP rights only protect against certain actions (e.g. copying, distributing, ...)
PJ "Vote Green" CoffeyI guess scraping it off the internet and using it in an AI confabulation mill is going to be legal because it hasn't been made illegal.
@Homebrewandhacking @henry @clarkesworld Well, #scraping may or may not be legal. It is not so clear. And it may depend on the jurisdiction. For example, we do not have the #fairuse doctrine here in #Europe, so we need to rely on per case exceptions to #copyrights
@baltasar @clarkesworld #BerneConvention #Art6bis etc. Musicians sometimes ask politicians not to play their songs at political rallies. Perhaps this has even been enforced by courts. Might you analogously argue that the incorporation of your work into an LLM dataset violates your honor?
@henry @clarkesworld you may argue quite a lot, and it is up to the competent courts to decide (they will apply the national implementations, not the convention directly).
But to give you a more concrete answer, I doubt that that in itself would help you: in the cases you've cited there is a public performance, connected to political views. The training is a very silent act.
We'll have to wait for cases. One of the better overviews of what's going on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ax8twEwgw&t=390s
