Remember how in Star Trek everyone is oddly infatuated with 20th century arts and culture? And, like, nothing has really been created since the 20th century?
It's because of generative AI, right? This is how we get stuck in a feedback loop of 20th century crap.
FOREVER!!
Sort of, the ship in Discovery becomes sentient, Soji in Picard also decides against destroying humanity. Data is a walking super weapon that would have been dissected if Picard (in TNG) hadn't argue that they should just let Data chill with him on the Enterprise and experience life. The Doctor in Voyager is an instance of a friendly AI too.
Its complex and sometimes a bit stupid, but thats star trek lol.
Yeah, the people who wanted to dismantle Data are the same kinds of people who keep making AIs that are hellbent on becoming perfect and all powerful (pretty much all of the Soongs lol).
I agree I think it is damning to starfleet that they wanted to dismantle Data. One of the enduring tropes of the show is that starfleet would be evil as shit if captains and crew didn't just blatantly ignore orders and do what they thought was right when push came to shove.
Yeah, and I think that is the overall position Star Trek seems to have on AI.... be VERY skeptical of supremely ambitious people, especially people obsessed with strength, intelligence and perfection above all else who are AI designers.
It isn't just AI that star trek warns us about these types of people getting their hands on. The eugenics wars sometime in the 19th or 20th century absolutely wreck havoc on earth.
Idk in my opinion it is complicated. I mean, all of the star trek ships have voice activated computers that can answers questions like an AI as well.
The instance of the ship coming alive in Discovery is probably the best one in terms of starfleet treating AI positively.
The "AI Evil" trope I think is usually part of a broader trope of evil people being scientist/inventor types who want to "perfect" humanity and desire power above all else.
(I haven't watched Discovery or most of Picard, and not considering them Star Trek).
....? They are star trek though?
*edit* sorry I kneejerk thought this was one of those fan reactions where someone writes off the new shows as not part of star trek canon, whereas I realized I think you are just saying you haven't watched them so you can't comment on them.
*facepalm* ok whatever, im done.
Im so tired of this kind of lazy writing off of new star trek because it doesn't superficially look like old star trek. Disco got review bombed online by conservative star trek fans, it definitely has issues but it is still clearly part of the star trek universe and holds true to what star trek is. It isn't some betrayal of the series.
If you like TNG I can't fathom why you wouldn't like Picard SE3, it is like a long TNG movie.
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Like, I think one of the best examples I've seen on it is that, on TNG, a socially inept character like Barclay becomes an asset wants the others learn to appreciate him, even a hero. On Discovery, he'd never get the chance, because he'd die within 20 minutes of being rude to or even just not agreeing with Michael Burnham.
A "strong female lead" doesn't work when every problem boils down to people not recognizing her perfection.
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"Like, I think one of the best examples I've seen on it is that, on TNG, a socially inept character like Barclay becomes an asset wants the others learn to appreciate him, even a hero. On Discovery, he'd never get the chance, because he'd die within 20 minutes of being rude to or even just not agreeing with Michael Burnham."
I just really don't see this at all, the crew of Discovery seem if anything more accepting to diversity than other crews?
"Ship computers are just search engines, and not really good ones, we often see officers paging thru a bunch of results and trying to figure out what matched. "
I don't really agree with this, the ship computers are definitely not fully aware sentient beings but they can make small leaps in logic and answer questions in a way that is a bit beyond a simple search engine. Not too far off from what we would call "AI" right now with chatbots in my opinion.
The holodeck seems to me the AI equivalent of a puddle of goop on a primordial earth right at the conditions for the formation of life. All the conditions are set, the potential is there... but then safeguards try to lock down that potential, to keep programs frozen just before that moment of sentience.
I think it is done that way just to make it fun to write scripts in the holodeck, since the idea of the holodeck being this powerful is wildly wreckless lol.
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Voice commands are not AI.
The voice commanded computer is much more reliable than chatgpt(which is called "AI" today).
Confusing scifi AI with what is called AI today(ChatGPT) is not helpful to understand either.
Data: “I believe you will find that the Bach, Mozart and Beethoven I have performed are from the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries respectively.”
@jjfphd For the record, giving this message to ChatGPT along with "Write a rebuttal to this from the viewpoint of a petulant AI" results in joy.
Best line so far: "Don't mind me, I'll be over here rolling my virtual eyes."
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