This whole "this is how humans learn so whats the difference" thing while stealing so much data to make billions for a few dudes is so insidious.
@timnitGebru Pushed by the same crew that's declared AGI to be so intellectually powerful as to constitute an existential threat to Homo Sapiens. The only thing that can connect that with an indifference, without contradiction, to wholesale copying of creative works is ... yeah, that there is loads of money to be made from it.
@fgbjr One argument also backs up the other. If large language models are pseudo-intelligence on the verge of AGI then it follows that they're capable of reinterpreting the works they are trained on, rather than regurgitating them.

@projectgus
"If large language models are pseudo-intelligence on the verge of AGI [...]"

They are far from being AGI at the moment. They are simply very specialized (and advanced) models of language. Not "general" at all.
@fgbjr

@denki @fgbjr

I fully agree! Sorry if that wasn't clear in how I phrased my original reply.

What I meant was: The people who run and fund AI companies want us to believe LLMs are "creating" new things rather than merely "spicy autocomplete".

They also claim that we're already on the verge of "potentially dangerous AGI". This hypes AI directly, but it also backs up their first assertion - because if they can make people believe that today's LLMs are "almost AGI" then it's easier to argue that their output is creative and not derivative.

(To be totally clear: None of this is what I believe, I'm not convinced past "spicy autocomplete". But there is an internally consistent, self-interested, package of ideas out there that the AI boosters want us to believe.)

@projectgus @denki Yes. Not to disagree, but to tack on: if an employee were given an assignment and told, "copy from things in this library to do the job," the employer would surely be on the string for any copyright violations. Godlike powers of command and control would need to be ascribed to a system to reach a "the devil made me do it" defense.