OK, let me try something.

Hello
@Gargron! It’s the first time I’m addressing you, so let me first of all say a big THANK YOU for your contribution to the #Fediverse! The reason I’m writing this is that I saw that @mastodon recently announced quote posts - I think that’s a great decision! As you probably know, #Misskey and #Calckey already have an implementation for quotes, where the quote appears under the original post (like a comment, but flagged as a quote), and where the original poster is notified when quoted.

I don’t know how you intend to implement this feature in Mastodon, but since our users interact with each other, I thought it would be a good idea to suggest some direct communication with
@syuilo (who originally implemented this in #Misskey) and @kainoa (our lead dev at #calkey), to make sure our implementations will be compatible. Even if there are concerns and things that you’d prefer to be done differently, I think that they should be discussed, and #Misskey and #Calckey should consider adjusting their implementations, so that they interoperate seamlessly with yours. The idea is, let’s see if it’s possible to find a common way to do this, so that users have a smoother, safer and more consistent experience, on such a sensitive issue!

I think that the widest possible interoperability in the
#Fediverse is to everyone’s benefit, and it gives a better experience for every #fedizen, no matter what platform they’re on. Let’s try to work closer together on common features or problems and find common solutions - we’ve got this.

Posting this publicly because I think that more cooperation between fedi platforms is something many people in here would love to see – myself included! Hoping this is received positively and in good faith. United fedi is best fedi =)

@panos @kainoa @syuilo @Gargron "where the quote appears under the original post (like a comment, but flagged as a quote), and where the original poster is notified when quoted"

If you want to quote a post you should be able to do so discreetly without dragging the original author into it, just as when linking to any other webpage.

Making people think of quoting as "reply in front of my followers" instead was a big part of how QTs became misused for performative arguments, dunks and ratioing.

@hughster @[email protected] @syuilo @Gargron I don't doubt that was your experience on #Twitter, but to be honest, being daily for several months now on a #Fediverse platform that has this implementation, this doesn't reflect my experience here at all. Quotes are used with good intentions and under a positive mood most of the time, and for the times that they might not be (as with any feature, like new posts or replies), well, that's why we have moderation.

I think
#Twitter actually encouraged toxic behaviour. It's not the feature that's at fault, it's a specific moderation policy.
@panos @hughster @[email protected] @syuilo @Gargron

I don't see Quotes as inherently evil, even having been on the sharp end of this as
#trans on Twitter. And it can be sharp but

1. Bad actors are bad (period), worst case they will screen shot and develop any narrative they want

2. It's the ease of Quotes that can make it an easy tool to use negatively (trying to avoid saying 'weaponised' here btw)

3. On Mastodon I can and do Quote people
anyway via a link. And as a courtesy I always include the original poster in the QT (Yes - I like the Etiquette culture in #Mastodon)

4. And in the
#Fediverse I have found admins and moderators fast and responsive ... even when I was on a larger server mas.to last year. So they are part of this picture too

I see this as a granular design discussion including
#Calckey, which it would be nice to see future alignment on. For example -

- Does everyone want to allow their public posts to be auto-Quoted? Opt-in or Opt-out?
- If yes, do I want to be notified if auto-Quoted? (for me always a big yes personally)
- Could granular design/control principles be designed and built at a per-User level, or even at a per-Post level, along these kind of lines?

I don't want to try and solve it in this thread
=> just to put up some views which may shed light
💡 rather than heat 🔥 with a view to also encouraging a "pull-together" design collaboration