"There's no WAY he'll win..."

*he wins*

"There's no WAY it's fascism..."

"it's fascism*

"There's no WAY they're going to do a coup Nina..."

*they try a coup*

"There's no way the establishment is gonna let them do fascism"

*the establishment let's them do fascism*

"Come on you're saying Twitter is a NAZI site now cause Elon owns it?"

*Twitter becomes a Nazi site*

"There's no WAY they're going to progrom trans people"

Listen more, talk less; you've been wrong every time you clapped back

@AnarchoNinaWrites @mekkaokereke

Nina… if history has taught us one lesson clearly, without equivocation and repeatedly…

They will choose not to listen… until it is them that “they” come for.

@NerdyBirdie @mekkaokereke look, if these people are literally straight up going to f*cking murder me to appease literal f*cking nazis, then they ARE going to hear about why that's exactly what they're doing while it happens. I don't care if they like it, and while I know it's not a solution, there is only ONE solution to fascism and I'm not allowed to open fire yet. Let me yell while I'm clocking time till they come to literally f*cking kill me. Thankx.

@AnarchoNinaWrites @mekkaokereke

yell all you want AND can… that is your right (obligation?) to do so.

My only caution:

Just save some calories… because we know what is coming, and endurance won’t be an option.

@AnarchoNinaWrites @NerdyBirdie @mekkaokereke that's the problem, we are not allowed to open fire before they are in charge. And later folks will say "why haven't you done anything?"

@Dingsextrem @NerdyBirdie @mekkaokereke Man, and I ain't picking on anyone in this thread, but you know for a fact that if we started fighting back, half these libs would VOLUNTEER to hunt us down for the nazis as some sort of olive branch.

"Very Serious People" on my news been tryina get me killed for well over a decade now...

@AnarchoNinaWrites @Dingsextrem @NerdyBirdie @mekkaokereke

Nina, You have confused me? Who do you think are the Nazis, The Left or the right?

@Mor696 @Dingsextrem @NerdyBirdie @mekkaokereke what is wrong with your brain?

@AnarchoNinaWrites @Dingsextrem @NerdyBirdie @mekkaokereke

Nothing. I just looking for your Verification here.

@Mor696 I don't work for you; f*ck off.

@AnarchoNinaWrites You put in your Bio you're against Capitalism, that would make you far, far left.
Yet you talk about the libs hunting you for the Nazis, that would make you far, far right.

Just looking for your actual view.

@Mor696 what part of "f*ck off" did you not understand, muppet?

Don't answer that. Just hold this block and take your white moderate bullcrap to someone else's mentions.

@Mor696

Nina's bio says: anti-capitalist, anarcho-syndicalist. I'll translate for you: that's lefty. Profile pic is a film portrayal of Soviet hero Lyudmila Pavlichenko, you get the idea. (Don't get me wrong, huge fan of the Soviets in the Eastern Front, they literally saved the world.)

These "libs" she's complaining about are not radical enough, you see – they support some of what she says, but she imagines they'd try to get her to stop tilting at the Nazi windmills that she sees all around if she were to start getting violent.

@ech @Mor696 I guess it's a muppet party in here now? Well, you can hold this block too, collaborator.
@ech @Mor696 fuck off you politically illiterate waste of oxygen. She’s talking about when we have to defend ourselves from violence like what the Nazi governments in Florida, Idaho, Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri and far more are doing to trans people.
@chairgirlhands @Mor696 I know what she *means*, of course. (She's quite clear, and probably doesn't need you to reword everything she says.)
@ech @chairgirlhands
I don't want to reword anything. I was truly confused. Instead of telling me to fuck off a simple honest answer would have been nice.
Name calling and telling people to F*uck off is what I would have expected on twitter.
@Mor696 @chairgirlhands This is no better than twitter in that respect, sorry to say. You and I both got blocked by OP here it seems, due to our replies being something other than enthusiastic agreement and lament. That's how it is quite often on instances like mastodon.social.
@ech @Mor696 you accused someone of “tilting at nazi windmills” while fascist governments are literally killing people of the same identity as them in their home country. That’s why you’re blocked and you deserve it.

@chairgirlhands @ech
I have NEVER used the term "tilting at Nazi windmills" in my life!

Someone else said that TO ME!

The entire pretext of the Nazis was to destroy the upper class & have everyone work for the government.
As for Auschwitz, I've been there & I can tell you the single purpose of it and the other extermination camps were to murder!
And not only Jews, but also, Political Opposition & the Elite.
I think you may to study just a little more about the Nazis.

@Mor696 @chairgirlhands I said the windmill thing, but not to you.
@chairgirlhands @ech Again it wasn't me who said it.
If you're going to call me out, at least know what you're talking about!
@Mor696 VH is replying to me there.

@ech

????

@Mor696 Violet's "you accused someone..." post is objecting to my characterization of why I got blocked. She's not wrong: I was probably blocked for the windmill thing, as she says.

I think I was right about why you got blocked, though.

The threading here is maybe throwing you off; if I reply to you, then someone else replies to me, your name is in their reply also, making it look like they replied to you when really they did not – in their reply "you" refers to me, for example.

@ech
Ok thanks for the info. Talk to you later. Time for a nap.
@chairgirlhands @ech
Again with the swearing and name calling?
To begin with Liberals are NOT Socialists which the Nazis was. Nazis were very far left.
Second, America has 2 parties. The Dems & GQP which leaves you 3 basic choices, vote Dem, vote GQP or don't vote.
Every state you listed is being run by the GQP, so they are the current Fascist party.
As for Trans, I likey have bigger support for them than you do, being as I have a friend & a very close family member who are Trans.
@Mor696 the nazis were not far left. They were right wing fascists cosplaying as socialists to get elected into power. As for “who cares more about trans people,” don’t play that game. Neither you, me, or the person you originally replied to know anything at all about each other, so why try to play support Olympics? Finally as for “libs” you can probably safely translate that to “centrists” without losing _too_ much meaning.
@sfrazer434
You're right about not knowing others so why would anyone answer a simple question with Fuck Off?
And the Nazi Party, byname of National Socialist German Workers’ Party. It morphed into the far right state it became.
That is the problem with any far left / right group. They never stay what they started as.
To go away from Capitalism means you expect people to work without any gain. If you work with a large group how many do just enough to get by? That becomes a large portion of us

@Mor696 Try not to let the prickly people get to you. It's probably best to move on. If it makes you feel any better the "fuck off" was directed at me, not you, you just got a polite "f*ck off". 😂

You'll get no resolution about this: she appears to have blocked you. Let's have a friendly discussion about Nazi economic policy instead.

@ech I'm was over her hours ago.
But who are you referring to when you said ...'other than what they said in their propaganda?'
Are you talking about the mainstream media?

@Mor696 @chairgirlhands

"Nazis were very far left." I'm fine with abandoning the left/right thing, but it's probably not useful to say this; you just aren't meaning the same thing by "left" that anyone else means, so no communication is possible. And they weren't really socialist; they talked about socialist economic policy because it was kinda popular at the time, but never really implemented it to any great extent, IIUC. But even if they did, that isn't the thing anyone cares about with respect to them.

It's not "GQP".

"they are the current Fascist party." Don't be silly. US fascist parties include ANP, the unfortunately-named NSPA, etc. They're disbanded, though, I believe.

@ech @chairgirlhands

Do you take offence the the GOP being called the GQP? They are the party who wholeheartedly embraced QUANON.
MTG talked about Jewish space lasers starting the CA. As one example.
And yes the GOP are definitely Fascist. Look at the similarities.
-Book banning
-Controlling woman reproductive rights
-Attempting to dismantle any and all the LGBTQ+ community have.
Regardless what Trump does he's still loved by his MAGA Cult.
The fascists of WWII did all these things.

@Mor696 @chairgirlhands re. GQP – I thought you were just completely ignorant, TBH.

OK so you're calling someone "fascist" because they're on the other side of a quibble about what age a certain book is appropriate for. Got it. 👍

@Mor696 @ech the nazis we’re diametrically opposed to socialism and the left wing of politics… Hitler himself admitted the “socialist” label had nothing to do with Marxism, and the proof that it didn’t is in the state that they built.
@chairgirlhands @ech
Yes Hitler did say Socialism is different than Marxism because they are. Socialism is how Hitler brought Germany out of the Great Depression.
It was socialism is what build the Autobahn.
Socialism was a huge contributing factor to how Hitler & Goebbels convinced the German people that Hitler was the saviour of Germany in about 1934.
By 1939 Germany had changed & was fully engulfed in Fascism.
@Mor696 @ech lmfao no the nazis knelt before the private sector and the worker/employer hierarchy. Socialist in name only. The entire nazi project loved capitalism and nazi germany’s economy is in fact the origin of the term “privatization”. They enhanced the powers of the employer; the most extreme example being Auschwitz. Socialism is about guaranteeing everyone’s needs and destroying the concept of private property ie the opposite of what Hitler and the nazis did.
@chairgirlhands @Mor696 Yeah there was definitely a lot of central planning and high tariffs, so far from a capitalist utopia, but I think the whole "socialist" part of the name was pure marketing BS. Darcy are you basing this impression on something other than what they said in their propaganda?
@ech @chairgirlhands
Please verify who 'they' are, in ref to your propaganda comment.

@Mor696 @chairgirlhands I'll reword: Are you basing your impression of Nazi economic policy on something other than the propaganda that the Nazi's published?

The 25-point program, for example, talks a good game about profit-sharing, nationalizing lots of businesses and land, etc. But I think they mostly didn't do that stuff.

@ech @chairgirlhands
Yes I am basing it on years of reading and visiting places in Germany & Poland.
Hitler looked at rich people as a necessary evil he had to appease in order to build the equipment he needed to wage war and hold occupied territories & countries.
He believed everyone should give everything they had to the state, (him).

@ech @Mor696 unfortunately the historical record shows us pretty decisively that a great many liberals are okay with fascism. Idk how you can see the liberals in Germany and Italy capitulating entirely to the NSDAP, and until the war the liberals in most of Europe capitulating to their local fascists.

It was, by and large, anarchists and Marxists and in some places social democrats who actually took on the fash, not your average liberals.

@ech @Mor696 You two are wasting your time.Erik,you know too much-no room for the fudging & warping she needs to make the ideology she espouses work;you would likely call her on it.And you(@mor696 sorry didn't catch a name), you sound knowledgeable,but lack objective organization of your knowledge and so she rejected you(quite rudely & childishly)because in explaining to you,she'd have opened herself up to correction.She's almost an NPC.Drama queen for sure;no one is coming to kill you
PEACE!!✌️

@DISCOSCOTCH @ech

Sorry @DISCOSCOTCH, I have exactly zero idea of what you talking about?

@Mor696 @AnarchoNinaWrites ??? Liberals have always helped nazis hunt left wing people what part of this are you confused about
@Mor696 @AnarchoNinaWrites You CAN be against capitalism and not be far left. It’s just so hard for most of us to get the indoctrination out of our head that public school put there about being a loyal pawn for the 1%. That’s what got us in this mess and it’s why Republicans always put the socialist label on anything that helps people climb out of the rut they’re in. It works almost every time

@bouriquet @AnarchoNinaWrites

I'm sorry but without capitalism there is little incentive to work. It wasn't capitalism that got us where we are, it was greed.
It started with Reagan. He cut taxes on the rich from 70% to 37%. He also changed tax law that allowed the rich to have huge deductions before tax.
The "Trickle Down" economics that we all knew at the time would never work. And they didn't!

@Mor696 @AnarchoNinaWrites That’s just the point: pure capitalism doesn’t work because of greed just as pure communism doesn’t work because of greed and mistrust by some people.
There is middle ground but human emotions stirred up by lies keeps us from equilibrium. Some of those lies are the result of racism
@Mor696 @bouriquet @AnarchoNinaWrites no incentive to work? You’ve clearly never met people. If we had a universal basic income to cover everyone’s needs, people would still work, because human beings derive meaning from work. You just won’t see people putting up with shitty, pointless jobs.
@cadenza @Mor696 @AnarchoNinaWrites Very true. The first people who farmed and gathered their own food didn’t have a monetary incentive. When they had excess, they bartered with others for different things that had intrinsic value for their needs. Only when the concept of currency came about did it foster greed because more value was put on overseers with whips than those who actually did the work. Today we call them managers and CEOs. Our values are misproportioned.
@bouriquet @cadenza @AnarchoNinaWrites so work or die?
Comparing people from 300,000 years ago to today is a stretch at best. Items of value were first used around 5,000 years ago. Money, like we have has been around since about 600 BC, so 2,600 years ago.
The last company I know of who shared in profits was WestJet. As an employee you were given shares. Then they could buy more. B/C of that WestJet was noted as the best airline in the world. Employees were working for themselves in essence.

@cadenza @bouriquet @AnarchoNinaWrites

Quick question.
Where does the money come from to pay the universal basic income come from without capitalism, thus taxes, to pay out the money?
I understand people very well. 30 years in the military and 15 years as a shift supervisor / manager, I can tell you a portion of the population is bone idle lazy.
So to pay those people without any expectation is just foolish.

@Mor696 @cadenza @AnarchoNinaWrites The entire monetary system is upside down. People who make less than $100k shouldn’t be paying taxes. Companies that benefit from all the things government provides for them, like roads, air safety, food and drug inspections of products they profit from. They should be paying for those services so we’re safe. If we paid into one nonprofit healthcare system, insurance companies wouldn’t need to pay stables of attorneys, no collection agencies
@Mor696 @bouriquet @AnarchoNinaWrites and I would tell you that you have a distorted view of humanity. Many of the people in the military aren’t there because they want to be in the military but because they see no other economic choice for themselves. That’s probably the “laziness” you see. It’s hard to be motivated to do what you don’t want to do but have no choice but to do it. Furthermore, as someone who struggles with executive dysfunction, that isn’t laziness either. And yeah, maybe some people are actually lazy. So what? It’s not like we have enough work for everyone to do. But the majority of people do want some kind of work to make their lives meaningful. You just wouldn’t have the threat of destitution to force people to do scutwork.

@cadenza @bouriquet @AnarchoNinaWrites

Wow, you are really out there!
How many people have you been the manager of in your life? I'm going to say exactly zero!
My experience is not only military but also 15 years in a factory.
The distorted view is yours not mine. Unless a person can advance in a system then there is no incentive to work hard. Simply having a warm place to live & enough to eat is not the incentive enough to work hard, unless you don't already have that.

@Mor696 @bouriquet @AnarchoNinaWrites actually, I have my own film production company. And if you think the majority of people are lazy ne’er-do-wells, that speaks more to your poor management skills and inability to hire good people than the general work ethic of people. You are exactly the sort of personality that people HATE working for. No one wants to work for a taskmaster. In my experience, people tend to fulfill the expectations you have for them. So the best way to get lazy, unmotivated employees is to assume that everyone is lazy. Anyone who doesn’t require a taskmaster to fulfill work obligations will quit as fast as they can in order to get away from you. I’m quick to fire people who don’t meet standards, but I’ve only had to fire a few. If you expect a certain standard and trust that people will meet it, they usually will.
@bouriquet @AnarchoNinaWrites
If a person is completely against capitalism then you are a purest.
The left, and the right, live on a sliding scale. Having some social policies while still being in favor of capitalism does not make you right leaning.
Pure Communism worked on paper but failed miserably from day 1 in practice.
anarcho-syndicalism also looks good on paper but would not survive practical application.
@bouriquet "not be far left" It's all relative. Here, yes, I'd say you are correct; any support of capitalism pretty much makes you a fascist around here.
@ech ever wonder why that is?
@bouriquet Because it's a lefty idpol echo chamber.
@ech I suspected I’d get an answer like that. Ever consider that it’s populated by critical-thinking people who can see through the smokescreen put up by those who want to keep the status quo and are afraid of losing some of what they have to the unknown of unexpected change? Even if it makes the lives of other folks better? Just like the way the Church tried to hold onto power in the Middle Ages