afaik the nazis are a small part of the ukrainian defense campaign, but god damn do they keep showing up *constantly* in variously supposedly-supportive propaganda and outreach efforts

that's fucked up, it's deeply fucked up, and i've hardly ever seen anyone grapple with it well

a lot of leftist criticism of this shit just falls down, too, like you've got people casually reposting shit from sputnik and relentlessly humping the term "proxy war" as a thought-terminating cliche

meanwhile an imperial power with state-mandated fox-news brain is churning out news reports about how their soldiers raided an lgbt charity and found a colored-pencil drawing of a trans woman on a poster, and that justifies their genocidal military campaign

a quirk of fascist nationalism is that it can grow through opposition as well as support —

the guys slapping sonnenrads and wolfsangels on everything are ideological allies of a sort even as they slaughter each other on the battlefield, because their battles serve to build up their respective nationalist death-squad movements as legitimate arms of the state, that they will then happily turn on their other designated enemies, both internal and external, when the current struggle has ended

this is how you get that weird shit where Orban and Netanyahu are straight-up geopolitical allies even though the former obviously hates Jews (whereas the latter only hates about 50% of Jews)

imo the new ultranationalist internationalism is based on this premise:

• dictatorship-against-the-left will always be required to save capitalism in crisis

• capitalism can benefit from its own crises

• the world is going to hell — the crises will escalate

• *choosing* to send the world to hell is rational "homo economicus" / "realpolitik" behavior

• a network of para-fascist states can effectively preserve capitalism and hierarchy all over, and the ride to hell will only strengthen them

and please don't confuse this for me saying these people are all incredibly clever, visionaries, master manipulators, &c.

the ruling class have their illusions and delusions just like everyone else. it's just that they can choose how to inflict them on all of us.

to bring this back to the invasion of ukraine — every single azov guy is a victory for "putinism" in a very real sense, because he wholeheartedly buys into the right-wing hell-world idea and will spend his whole life building that hell-world.

and afaik the national boundaries between these ultranationalist death-squad groups get rather porous when it comes to shit like going off to be a mercenary in africa.

in some sense, ultranationalist internationalism is in conflict with american hegemony — it's trying to build a new thing out of american decline, the end of "the end of history" and all that.

but it's built by repurposing our imperial tools. it's built on our inaction (on climate change, e.g.). a lot of it is built by explicitly by americans and other westerners, because all of the ruling elites largely want the same big things.

and — since i'm talking to a mostly left-wing audience here, i presume — i want to emphasize this: the thing the international right-wing is building isn't a "multi-polar world" as you conceive of it.

it's not an end to hegemony, but a kind of new para-hegemony, a more redundant and resilient version of our modern system, a way to keep the oppressive power of the nation-state rolling along even as vulture-capitalists strip their own nation states for profit.

@saddestrobots this is the first time ive been able to accurately respond to something with:

This is what 1984 is about

@scattapilla
ohhhhh, hot damn, you're right
@saddestrobots A few semi-connected thoughts on this:
There's a real blind spot on the part of the mainstream media, liberal commentators, etc., on not only fascist elements in Ukraine but also in Hungary, Poland and the like. If it's discussed at all it's often through a domestic political lens, or it's about specific anti-LGBTQ or anti-immigrant policies, but there's no discussion of what it means to be allied with countries like that.
@saddestrobots I get the sense that the reason we see fascist tendencies and extreme corruption in these former Soviet bloc countries is that something went badly wrong in the '90s, in a way that the western powers were most likely complicit in, but despite living through this era in Canada I don't know much about the details of this.
@saddestrobots It's also worth remembering that military losses can be very useful to fascist types. Think of the Confederate flag guys in the US, Canadian right wingers valorizing Rhodesia, etc. It wouldn't surprise me if, regardless of the outcome of the current war, we one day see a reactionary movement celebrating the "brave defenders of Mariupol", and the same for the Wagner Group if they get comprehensively owned
@saddestrobots "multipolar" in the sense that "any route to power is valid"
@saddestrobots soft-power democracy-as-hegemony model decaying into megacorp mafia state model

@mungus great way to put it

a guy who worked in one of the soft-power industries (world bank or usaid type stuff) told me they were basically cooked and we're all getting reactionary mafia states instead like 10 years ago ☠️

@saddestrobots notably this happened after the civil war with the union soldiers fighting the natives for their land
@scattapilla
the union victors deciding "we need money, let's do some genocide!" is probably the greatest shame and crime of the post-civil-war period, imo (and it directly lead to the abandonment of Reconstruction)