Somewhat disappointed in the people who are so quick to say that we need to reform Section 230 because "big tech companies are bad," without considering whether or not it would even fix the problem. Too many of my mentions are people who seem to not care about the consequences (and whether or not such reforms would help fix any perceived problem). It's just "company bad, therefore, 230 must be bad."

Think through the details, people.

@mmasnick Section 230 has ensured a total lack of accountability in the Internet Age on the part of the corporations who basically run the show. I say repeal the damn thing and write up something new to put these “services” in their rightful places.

@zub yeah, so you're just confirming that you're exactly the kind of person i'm talking about. blowing stuff up without understanding how that does the exact opposite of what you want.

It would mean less accountability and more power to big companies.

You simply do not know what you're talking about.

@mmasnick I do, actually. I’m not saying blow it up and leave it at that, but rather that something stronger and more radical should take its place. The internet is a cesspool of garbage and the corporations running it take no responsibility at all for the proliferation of that garbage on their platforms. That needs to change.

@zub "take no responsibility at all"? Facebook employs over 20,000 content moderators, and keeps trying to adjust the algorithm to downgrade the garbage, because they know it drives people away long term.

I'm not saying they're good at it, because no one is good at it (mainly because people are messy an awful), but the idea that they "take no responsibility" is just obviously laughably false.

And getting rid of 230 would INCENTIVIZE "taking no responsibility."

@mmasnick and yet that garbage is what drives most of the traffic on their platforms and is a primary source of profit for them as a direct result.

Their moderators do their jobs but only to the extent that Facebook allows them to, and it’s clear the corporation caves easily to “but you’re censoring [insert political group here]’s beliefs!” and similar rhetoric. See Twitter preventing moderation actions on Libs of TikTok without explicit supervisor approval.

@zub again, that's wrong. you've been fed a myth. sites have learned that too much garbage drives away users and advertisers.

We can complain where they draw the line, but you claim they take no responsibility at all and that's false.

The nuances and tradeoffs are not what you make them out to be.

@mmasnick I feel that all one needs to do to see that I’m not wrong is to look at a place like the Daily Wire or Info Wars. These are outlets that *thrive* on hate-clicks and on creating negative perceptions of minorities and promoting conspiracy theories, and they have not been harmed at all by their hateful content.

One does not need to rely on advertisers to make money when you can rely on the grift perpetuated by a group of radicals feeding on anger.

@zub you've switched from social media to media publications. And info wars is bankrupt and facing billions in fines, so, you know...

But, if your complaint is that we shouldn't let "bad" media exist, well, the 1st Amendment is a problem for you.

@mmasnick @zub
The problem is that the First Amendment, in fact the Constitution, was created before Corporations were given the same rights as actual people.
THAT is actually a very real problem.
Corporations are NOT private citizens, and yet are given the same rights, without the same accountability.
@PJLavatai @zub corporations having rights dates back to pretty early in our history, and it's... actually important. without that, it would be easier to sue, say, the NY Times, by claiming it has no 1st Amendment rights.
@mmasnick @zub
So you are saying the New York Times would have to take more care to make sure what they printed was truth ? Cannot sue for slander if it is truth.
I would love to live in that world.
@PJLavatai @zub no, we already have defamation law for that. the change you want wouldn't impact that at all, but would enable way more costly vexatious lawsuits for no reason.
@mmasnick @zub
Expound please….
If a sole owner were to be personally responsible for polluting a river, and had to pay a fine, he would take care not to pollute. When a corporation does it, they simply price in the fine. Sorry, but corporations receive far too much protection.
@PJLavatai @zub so we've gone from "corporations should have no rights" to "the problem is we can't lock companies up in prison?" I'm going to mute you and move on with my life. It's too short to respond to this nonsense.
@mmasnick @zub
P.S. I never said corporations should have no rights, just that they should not have the same rights as a human citizen.