Today we announced the Mullvad Browser - built by the Tor Project. A browser allowing anyone to take advantage of the privacy protections of Tor Browser without Tor.
👀 Learn more here: https://blog.torproject.org/releasing-mullvad-browser
We've Teamed Up With Mullvad VPN to Launch the Mullvad Browser | Tor Project

We have partnered with Mullvad VPN to develop the Mullvad Browser - a Tor Browser without Tor

@torproject one hell of a typo at the start lol
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I can already "take advantage of the privacy protections of Tor Browser without Tor" because Tor Browser doesn't require Tor to be installed separately -- it comes baked-in. What nonsense is this?
@JamesDBartlett3 @torproject i assume it means having the default config and extensions of the tor browser, without actually routing your traffic through the tor network. afaik it's not possible to use the tor browser in this way (at least without deep diving into the config/build)
@JamesDBartlett3 @torproject means you have privacy without using the Tor Network. When you use Tor Browser you use the Tor Network to have your privacy, meanwhile the new browser doesn't connect to tor, it connects to a VPN of your choice
@icia @torproject
If I wanted a VPN, I'd use a VPN. I have both. Why does a browser need a VPN baked-in?
@JamesDBartlett3 @torproject It has some extra goodies built-in, from my understanding, like tracking blockers. Then again, you can just install a tracker blocker like duckduckgos one, but I guess its just for convenience
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Or just use Firefox, which has excellent tracker-blocking built-in, and a vast library of extensions to choose from. I just don't get why so many different orgs keep spinning up new browsers. Well, Mullvad Browser appears to be based on Firefox like Tor Browser is, so at least it's not Yet Another Chromium Browser™️.
@JamesDBartlett3 @torproject at the end of the day, its just preference. Just as long as you choose one data broker to gift your data to

@JamesDBartlett3 It would be nice if that were the case, but Firefox has made plenty of terrible decisions in the past, and while I find them the best browser, I don't believe that they always have our best interests in mind.

It's good to have these alternatives to shift trust around a bit, and there is a gap between Tor and Firefox for users like me who want stronger privacy, but not enough to justify Tor.

Altering Firefox manually to do this causes it to be very fingerprintable.

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If you want better privacy, but not enough to justify Tor, why not just use a VPN with any regular, unmodified browser? This new browser they're hyping comes with one specific VPN built-in, which seems like a much weaker VPN solution than installing an actual VPN client on your machine, and routing *all* traffic through it, not just the browser's traffic. Unless I'm really missing something here, I just don't really get what all the fuss is about.

@JamesDBartlett3 I think it's also about having an easy button, for people who want privacy but don't want to read guides or figure stuff out they can just be pointed at this for an okay enough solution that doesn't ward them off due to too many steps, or having to remember to turn the VPN on and off and open private tabs etc.

At least, from what they've told us so far, it removes a lot of steps from the process.

The use case seems unclear so far, for sure, but I hope they make it clear soon.

@JamesDBartlett3 looks like they actually made a use case statement yesterday, here’s a link to it https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/110134359282351166
Mullvad VPN (@[email protected])

“Developing this browser with Mullvad is about providing people with more privacy options for everyday browsing and to challenge the current business model of exploiting people’s behavioral data,” says Isabela Fernandes, Executive Director, The Tor Project. “From our perspective there has been a gap in the market for those who want to run a privacy-focused browser as good as the Tor Project’s but with a VPN instead of the Tor Network,” says Jan Jonsson, CEO at Mullvad VPN.

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Proud to being involved in its development 😎
A *trustworthy* #VPN has its use cases, @mullvadnet
is such a VPN and the Mullvad Browser is the best way to use it.
@torproject isn't that just Firefox then?
@error420 @torproject no, there is a bunch of security changes over Firefox to make it privacy aware, like mitigating fingerprinting
@torproject bit late for first April.
@torproject that blog post is missing a huge warning: "Do not use a VPN as an anonymity solution."

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That's exciting news!

I've recently read how the #Tor and #Debian teams take the #security of software distribution very seriously. Truly amazing stuff.

Great to see how @mullvadnet, a private #VPN company, and Tor are teaming up to make more secure and private tools for everyone.

A feature tip for @techlore maybe?