Augie RayApr 2, 2023

Three people hospitalized eating raw cookie dough, and "the CDC recommends following recipe or package instructions to fully cook cookies, cakes and other foods made with raw flour, and using warm water and soap to wash hands, utensils, countertops and anything else that comes into contact with raw four."

2,000 people die a week from #COVID19 and the CDC won't recommend wearing a mask or altering behaviors.

Make it make sense.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/31/health/salmonella-outbreak-flour/index.html

Show threadKyRadApr 2, 2023
@augieray Can't afford to lose profits by upgrading air flow systems and having all of the country taking the vaccine. Just hide the numbers and pretend Covid is gone.
Show threadAlexey MerzApr 2, 2023

@KyRad1669 @augieray CDC diea recommend wearing masks. Why would you lie about that?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/types-of-masks.html

Masks and Respirators

Wear a mask with the best fit, protection, and comfort for you.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Show threadAugie RayApr 2, 2023

@merz @KyRad1669 That info you shared is not current. Here is the current masking guidance from the CDC. The CDC only says to wear a high-quality mask or respirator where community levels are high (0.78% of the US). It says to wear a mask in medium areas (8.7%) “if you are at high risk of getting very sick.” You “may choose to wear a mask at any time” everywhere else.

Accuse me of lying again, and I'll block you.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/covid-by-county.html

COVID by County

COVID-19 Community Levels help you decide your prevention steps.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Show threadsleepy.Apr 2, 2023
@augieray @merz @KyRad1669 block away.
Show threadAugie RayApr 2, 2023
@iamverysleepy @merz @KyRad1669 Not sure the point you think you're making. If you think the CDC lightly recommending less than 1% of the US mask contradicts my other statement statement,i think you're wrong. Half the US is at high or substantial transmission. COVID is rising in wastewater. Around 2,000 Americans die from COVID weekly. Suggesting 0.78% of the US mask is NOT reasonable or serious mask guidance.
Show threadAlexey MerzApr 2, 2023

@augieray @iamverysleepy @KyRad1669 At this point morbidity and mortality are comparable to a relatively bad seasonal flu year. And a large majority of that morbidity and mortality are due to lack of vaccination or under-vaccination. But highly effective COVID-19 vaccines are in fact available.

Sure, mask in public indoor spaces, on transit, etc. I do. But I don't pretend that masking is remotely as important as vaccination and the bivalent boost.

Because it's not.

Show threadsleepfreeparent

@merz @augieray @iamverysleepy @KyRad1669 the top 3 causes of death in the US were consistently these:
All forms of heart disease combined, 650k/yr
All forms of cancer combined, 400k/yr
All forms of accidental death combined, 180k/yr

COVID, just one single disease, has been around or over 250k/yr for 3 years, knocking out accidental death for the top 3 spot. It's the number one single-cause killer there is.

Seasonal flu kills around 60k/yr, except for that one year when we were all masking and isolating and we just didn't have a flu season. Not only is it not even close to COVID, countermeasures for COVID can eliminate flu season altogether, making your point doubly wrong.

Apr 2, 2023 at 10:38pmWeb
Show threadAlexey MerzApr 3, 2023

@sleepfreeparent @augieray @iamverysleepy @KyRad1669

Yes, the last three years have been awful. A catastrophe. But the immune system is a learning organ (whether by vaccine or infection), and past years do not tell us much about present conditions.

Hospitalizations and death rates are way, way down and are, indeed, closer to a bad flu year than to the previous pandemic years.

As for flu season, go ahead and advocate that everyone stay home in perpetuity. See how that goes.

Show threadsleepfreeparentApr 3, 2023

@merz @augieray @iamverysleepy @KyRad1669 you...do know that COVID has auto-immune properties, right? Right?

In any case, the worst year for flu deaths in the last decade was 2017-2018, with 52k confirmed deaths (142/day avg) according to CDC figures. So far this year confirmed COVID deaths have averaged more than double that, even with some states not reporting their numbers anymore.

The correct response to COVID is to change the building code, to fix air systems in buildings and use upper-room UV where possible, and to implement full masking until that is complete. That same response would eliminate flu season. The only reason we don't have ANY of that is that it would impact corporate profits.

Show threadAlexey MerzApr 3, 2023

@sleepfreeparent @augieray @iamverysleepy @KyRad1669

Newsflash: the US is not going to completely gut and revise HVAC in public buildings to deal with COVID-19. And the reason we won't is that almost no one would want to pay for it, corporate or otherwise.

Likewise, universal masking will not happen. Not because of "corporate interests," but because people don't want universal masking.

If you actually cared, you'd be working to get people vaccinated and boosted.

Show threadAlexey MerzApr 3, 2023

@sleepfreeparent @augieray @iamverysleepy @KyRad1669

Additionally, the evidence in support of vaccination is diverse and robust. Moreover, vaccination is not expensive and vaccine technology is improving at breathtaking speed.

The benefits of improved HVAC with respect to infectious disease transmission are far, far less well documented, and systemic changes would be hugely, prohibitively expensive.

New construction will probably improve here. Existing buildings mostly won't.

Show threadsleepfreeparentApr 3, 2023

@merz @augieray @iamverysleepy @KyRad1669 A vaccine-only approach benefits big pharma but is not effective against a virus that you can be reinfected by in less than a month. It just evolves too fast.
Look at cholera if you wanna see where your approach will get you. Half the world is still in the grip of the 7th cholera pandemic, which has been going on for decades. Countries that revamped their water and sewer infrastructure don't have a cholera problem. At all. Likewise, countries that change their building codes to include robust filtration, ventilation, UVGI will see an end to the COVID pandemic; countries that don't, won't.

"Almost no one would want to pay for it" is bullshit corporate apologia. The ruling class NEVER want to pay for ANY new safety regs, but we impose them anyway, because if we didn't people would keep dying and corps would keep profiting off of it. All building codes and safety regulations are written with the blood of the workers.

Show threadAlexey MerzApr 3, 2023

@sleepfreeparent @augieray @iamverysleepy @KyRad1669

Golly. How could I possibly have guessed that you'd be an antivax loon?

Go back to the birdshit site, where you belong.

Plonk.

Show threadsleepfreeparentApr 3, 2023
@merz @augieray @iamverysleepy @KyRad1669 and the dude accused me of being antivax and blocked me. Whatever. Just another thing he's wrong about to add to the list 🙄
Show threadKyRadApr 4, 2023
@sleepfreeparent @merz @augieray @iamverysleepy
You are correct in your statement 💯. Vaccines are a small part of it. It truly is a shame that the EPA/CDC weren't able to make schools and businesses update their air systems and instead have decided to hide that 1K plus are still dying from Covid and there are new strains that the vaccine isn't working against.