Derek Powazek ๐I wonder if people using mastodon know that, without section 230, no one could legally afford to run a mastodon instance in the US. Section 230 protects what we do here every day. Politicians threatening 230 are threatening free speech on the internet.
Iโm not going to educate you. Fucking look it up. While you still can.
Like I said, Iโm not going to educate you. But if you think the problem with 230 is that bad people post bad things on the internet, you donโt have a problem with 230, you have a problem with the First Amendment.
https://www.techdirt.com/2020/11/02/your-problem-is-not-with-section-230-1st-amendment/
And besides, without 230 sites would have LESS incentive to moderate content, not more. 230 PROTECTS MODERATION.
If you have a problem with bad content on bad sites, you have a problem with THOSE SITES, NOT 230.
I spent a career trying to get sites to moderate better and it was fucking hard, but I remember the web before 230, and back then the lawyers told us NOT TO MODERATE AT ALL because doing so could create liability. Thatโs not a situation anyone should want to go back to.
You want an internet where the nazis can post whatever they want and the sites canโt take it down? Or where no one is willing to host a masto server for fear of getting sued for something a user posts?
You really donโt.
Jargoggles@fraying
"You want an internet where the nazis can post whatever they want and the sites canโt take it down?"
That's a considerable part of why certain politicians are trying to undo it.
@jargoggles thatโs my point! And lefties are helping!
@fraying
Lefties or liberals?
Lefties or liberals?
@jargoggles meh. Whatevs
bobocubedHence the brilliance of the Fediverse. Those bad sites: disconnected. The ultimate in moderation.
@boelder yeah the fediverse becomes impossible without 230 protections.
Stefan Midjich ๊ฎา@boelder what if sites are wrongly disconnected without any real evidence? and what if this is then spread virally to people who don't even know why the site was blocked to begin with?
it can happen to you! ๐ฎ
Sammy ๐ฆ@sammy @boelder of course it happened. not that you'll believe my word over the admins of huge instances like mastodon.art, but that is exactly what happened. one guy with a grudge spread around that mastodon.se was full of fascists and now we're on the same blocklists as gab.com and truth social. and instead of fighting it I chose to just shutdown. the blocklists just forked off each other and kept spreading virally.
@stemid lol, I've seen the sort of servers the .art person moderates and so far they've not missed, so yeah I'm trusting them over you.
C.S.Strowbridge@fraying My problem isn't "bad people posting bad things". My problem is places like YouTube artificially boosting them to people not searching those things.
There have been scientific studies that show YouTube pushes more extreme content on viewers. Make the algorithm transparent and then making manipulating the algorithm against the TOS.