Vegetable Gremlin ⍼👻consulting the talmud to loudly insist that historically there has only been eight genders
Marc Trius@vegetablegremlin important to note that these are specifically intersex categories. While we might use them today to inform our thinking about gender in Judaism, when the Sages instituted these categories they were not thinking about anything we would recognize as gender discourse
@alter_kaker a: why is it important to note that
b: no they arent
@vegetablegremlin to me it's important to encounter the Sages on their own terms, rather than ahistorically retroject my own sensibilities on them. Aside from things like humility and integrity, it's also a matter of respect. We live in a rather different world and that's OK. We can still make the conclusions we need to.
@alter_kaker okay but they arent only descriptions of intersex. several specifically mention change through human intervention.
seems like meeting them with humility and integrity would involve reading the whole thing
@vegetablegremlin I agree. And I haven't read the whole oral and written Torah, and I rather suspect that you haven't either. But anyway, this level of sarcasm is boring
@alter_kaker i'm talking about reading the entire list of eight words in the post and im not being sarcastic