DrFriendless 🇵🇸Hey Chris Bowen, if you'd rather attack the Greens than make progress on emissions, I do not like and I do not trust you. You are owned by fossil fuel. Your policy is bullshit.
OrpheusandEurydice@DrFriendless it's possible to do both.
Shaun 🏳️🌈🍉@OrpheusandEurydice @DrFriendless If you're attacking the Greens for supporting Labor's legislation, perhaps.
@anarchautist @DrFriendless 15 years of policy failure & attacks on Labor proposals to reduce greenhouse gas emissions have left Labor with a very limited range of methods to achieve reductions. Using the mechanism devised by the LNP to reduce emissions is one of very few viable methods. The Greens would be better off negotiating improvements in this mechanism than asking for no new gas or coal, because although that would be good, no govt that instituted a blanket ban would survive an election.
@OrpheusandEurydice @DrFriendless That's a lot of words to support an anti-science position designed to kill the Reef and billions of people over the next century when the majority of the country supports strong action on climate change.
@anarchautist @DrFriendless politics is the art of the possible. I support strong action on climate change. I saw what happened first, when the Greens opposed the Rudd ETS, and second, Labor was booted out after Abbott's brutal campaign, and then the carbon tax was repealed. I supported both policies. There is no point in implementing policies that end up being used against you and repealed.
@OrpheusandEurydice @DrFriendless Wrong, the Greens opposed Rudd's CPRS, as did the entire environmental industry and his own advisors. The Greens PASSED the ETS with Gillard. At least have the basic facts right unless your intention here is to lie in order to advance the fossil fuel industry's bottom line.
@anarchautist @DrFriendless, don't have a problem with the facts, just accidentally called the CPRS the ETS, which was not "opposed by the whole environmental industry and his own advisers". We both want the same outcome, we disagree about how it can be achieved. It's going to take a decade of Labor govt to change the culture enough to make it possible to do enough without committing political suicide.
@OrpheusandEurydice We don't have a decade. What you are saying is you are willing to sacrifice the Reef (and every coral reef on Earth) so that your favourite political party gets to hold government (and continue to make the problem worse).
That doesn't work for me.
@anarchautist, your commitment, passion, and anger is noted. Fact is, govt in this country is LNP or Labor, and Labor is infinitely better on social justice and the environment, so I would rather they are in govt than the LNP. I actually don't really like it when Labor and the Greens are at each others throats. They are going to have to find a way of working together.
@OrpheusandEurydice Are they? Pension rates were higher--significantly higher--under Morrison. Labor has cut isolation pay for covid, pushed unscientific isolation times (5 days) and now says people don't need to isolate or mask at all, halted free PCRs, and caused thousands more deaths. They are currently slashing NDIS recipients' funding. My life, personally, is much worse under Labor than it was under the Coalition.
Labor's policies are consistent with 2° of warming instead of 3° as with the liberals--is that actually better? Are you any less dead in a 1200° fire than a 3000° fire? Nevermind Labor has increased emissions since getting into office so neither one of these campaign promises are likely accurate.
https://climateanalytics.org/media/auselection22_partyclimategoals_climateanalytics_1.pdf
@anarchautist, genuinely sorry to hear your life is worse. I hope it gets better.
@OrpheusandEurydice Well, if my appeal does not go well, the government loses 80% of NDIS cases before the AAT. They simply rely on disabled people not having the capacity to fight them all the way to the AAT--they expect us to die or become destitute (and I wouldn't be able to if I didn't have help).
Labor could immediately improve my life by 1) raising the pension rates to the poverty level, 2) stop slashing NDIS funding for cognitively disabled people, 3) stop increasing barriers to service for disabled people.
@anarchautist, I agree with all of those things.
@OrpheusandEurydice @anarchautist Orpheus, I strongly disagree. Climate change is here and it's already killing people and affecting the food supply. We do not have time for gutless wimps like the ALP to waffle about what is possible. It must change now. Actually, it should have changed years ago. Now we are just negotiating about how many survive. Politics is the at of the possible, but climate change action is the art of survival.