I wonder how many guys into chastity *really* want to someday be in it permanently. Like, sure, the idea turns them on maybe. But to find themselves living it for so long that they somehow forget they have a penis and not just a hard device between their legs. To live with just the memory of what it felt like to have a hard cock feeling pleasure and friction. To lose track of the last time they were able to orgasm like a man. To realize they don’t actually *want* those things anymore. They realize, one day, that it’s not just a thing they’re doing. It’s become what they are. It has transformed them.

@thumper Permanent isn’t really a word I use. Permanent doesn’t seem realistic. Indeterminate seems right to my situation. I might wear the device for a month before it comes off or it might be six months. Things come up that prevent permanent. I’m sure by a lot of people’s definition what we do already is “permanent.”

I’m definitely transformed though. I wouldn’t want to go back to how things were before. I picked this path and it makes me happy.

@ctrledboy @thumper Agreed.

~15 years in #HypnoChastity here. I fall into the "permanently transformed" category you describe. I can't remember the last time I've had an orgasm without permission.

Things I enjoy:
- Increased libido and sensation
- Submission and sublimation of my sex drive to my partner's pleasure.
- Constant reminder of my submission.

None of those things require permanent chastity. Even your memory example can be done with #hypno suggestions. I find that having the occasional orgasm actually makes me miss them more and enhances my submission. If I go too long without orgasms, I no longer miss them. My sex drive dries up.

Also, orgasm isn't a binary condition. What about edging? What about ruined orgasms? What about orgasms without coming? All of these are possible.

Ruins help me go longer in chastity without losing my sex drive. They make me more desperate and submissive.

Permanent chastity? No. Only ruins forever? Maybe.......