Found this gem while reading insightful interview about programming langs: "The two schools of thought, for example, on the use of IDEs and how you write code, for example, there's a whole class of people who just printf their way to debugging. Then there are others, for example, John Carmack famously fall to this category, John's a legendary Visual Studio user, where you allow the debugger, you allow being able to put a break point, inspect the state of your program." https://www.aarthiandsriram.com/p/our-dream-conversation-anders-hejlsberg
EP 34: Anders Hejlsberg - creator of Typescript, C# - on programming languages and the power of working on something over a lifetime

Every once in a while we get a guest we can’t believe we finally get to talk to - and you can hear the delight in our voices throughout. Anders Hejlsberg is special - he is someone we idolized since we were teenagers, heard whispers and stories about his prowess and feats in our formative years at Microsoft. His resume is unrivaled - he has created programming languages used by millions of developers and used to build software used by billions.

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