@seldo economics indeed but the changing storyline is also well documented (yes that's grifting!)

And also ppl need to know how HTML/etc work in order to use React not the other way around.

@agocke @seldo I didn't see the part where anyone was debating devs like it or use it.

The points made by Alex and others are concerned with the poor outputs and the advocates changing their stories. (See your colleagues Zach's post about React criticism for ex.)

@brianleroux @seldo I can too attest to said gaslighting. And I’m a heavy SPA user because for the longest time that was the only way to build fully offline capable applications on the web.

Let’s hope for a better future here. 🙏

@janl @seldo yes, and the only way to build hybrid apps too. Well, only good way. But got mobbed for suggesting backend rendered was a better default. The webpack guy, employees of said company, called me "irrelevant old guard" while the coworkers all dog piled likes.

Respect is a two way street and they lost mine a long time ago. When ppl show you who they are I believe them.

@brianleroux @janl don't you think it's a bit on the nose what you're saying about SPA devs & "using the platform", when you yourself had a reasonably big moment in tech not using the platform (Native Apps vs PhoneGap), or is that history you'd like to forget about?

Everyone makes trade-offs, and you are not above them.