Augie RayFeb 12, 2023

Remember all the speculative BS from the #COVID19 deniers that suggested pulling kids into online learning was adding to teen suicides. That was absolutely wrong. In fact, school attendance RAISES teen suicide rates.

“Returning from online to in-person schooling was associated with a 12-to-18 percent increase in teen suicides.”

I'm not advocating against in-person education, but
1) the COVID deniers were wrong AGAIN, and
2) We need to make education safer for kids.

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w30795/w30795.pdf

Show threadAndy CollierFeb 12, 2023
@augieray its not the in person part, its the bullying, the indoctrination into capitalism and conformity and purposeful crushing of differences and spark. At least IMO...
Show threadAugie Ray
@Andycollier That's like saying it's not the jumping off the cliff but the landing that hurts people. Bullying is a part of online experience, and yet online learning reduced teen suicides. And assuming schools taught the same topics, then "indoctrination" would occur in either setting. There is obviously something more at work here.
Feb 12, 2023 at 1:11pmWeb
Show threadAndy CollierFeb 12, 2023
@augieray again, IMO, those were all lessened during online learning.
Show threadAugie RayFeb 12, 2023
@Andycollier I wouldn't know why you'd think that. I've seen no evidence online bullying and harassment declined. Nor did the school topics change. You can believe what you want, but having a knee-jerk anti-capitalism reaction to any piece of news, whether appropriate or not, feels like a problem worth exploring (as much as others' pro-capitalism bias.)
Show threadAndy CollierFeb 12, 2023
@augieray i mean the bullying was still there online but I know my gender and neuro divergent kids at least didn't have to worry about physical violence. They also didn't gave to wear conforming clothes. They were also literally in a safe space the whole day, surrounded by their things, making everything easier to deal with.
Show threadAugie RayFeb 12, 2023
@Andycollier This thread started with a reply where you said, "its not the in person part," and we've now arrived with you saying it absolutely was the in-person part and all of its implications (physical violence, confirming clothes, surrounded by their things). So, we can agree.
Show threadAndy CollierFeb 12, 2023
@augieray what I meant was it wasn't the act of going to a building, its that the being in the building makes all the negative parts less safe.
Show threadAndy CollierFeb 12, 2023
@augieray why do you think I have a knee jerk anti capitalism response to any piece of news based on one interaction?
Show threadAugie RayFeb 12, 2023
@Andycollier I thought we'd had a capitalism debate to an earlier post of mine. If I am mixing you up with another, I'm sorry. Still, jumping to the conclusion a reduction in suicide was from a lack of indoctrination to capitalism (when nothing changed in lesson plans) feels like a "tell."
Show threadAndy CollierFeb 12, 2023
@augieray looking for anti capitalism tells is a tell tbh, I dont think we agree on some basic things. Leaving this discourse, have a good one!
Show threadAugie RayFeb 12, 2023
@Andycollier Best of luck, but entering a conversation not about capitalism to blame capitalism and then accusing the other person of noting what you said is hardly a tell. That is, in fact, how conversation works.
Show threaddragonfrogFeb 12, 2023
@augieray @Andycollier I've seen no studies on the topic, but I've
- observed how online school worked when my daughter was taking it
- been bullied at school
... And I don't see how bullying would be compatible with online school. No one can corner you where you can't escape, stove you, sneak up behind you. If someone is saying horrible things to you in a breakout room (because that's the only unsupervised space they get) you can call in a parent from another room
Show threaddragonfrogFeb 12, 2023
@augieray @Andycollier so you can plan a response - record their words to show the teacher exactly what is going on for example.