Dan LykeStop asking how the poor are going to get to work without cars, and start asking why the rich won't let the poor live close to their jobs.
Urban Hermit@danlyke I have read this entire thread, I would like people like you to get the underlying problem fixed first before refusing to build anymore roads. I was poor enough that I could not afford to buy a car until I was 26, I took the bus everywhere in Portland, OR, and I would not willingly go back. My wages went up $2/hr almost immediately, my commute to Community College went to 30min from 2hr, and I had the immediate freedom to go to the coast, forests, and rivers.
@danlyke You see, I was basically a wage slave, trapped in the city with no where to go except work, supplies, and home. And because busses stop every 2 blocks they take an enormous amount of time to go anywhere, which comes out of my personal time. Now with a car I pay for insurance whether I use it or not, which means it does not make economic sense to ever use the bus. Also with a car I can transport groceries, healthier raw foods, and bulk quantities.
@danlyke You see I, and millions of other poor and poorish people make the best choices we can, and we know our situation better than anyone. If you want fewer cars, you need to change the underlying economics. Road building follows road demand, you need to address the demand first, then road expansion will stop. Otherwise you are just making things harder for poor people who have to live where they can save $200-$400/month on rent.
@Urban_Hermit As long as we're subsidizing automobile-focused roads to the tune of subsidies that run over half a buck a mile, probably over a buck, much of that subsidy in negative health impacts, the demands for roads will remain insatiable and unsustainable.
A developed country is one in which the rich use public transit too.
clacke: exhausted pixie dream boy 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛@Urban_Hermit @danlyke But road building creates demand too. So part of breaking the cycle is just not adding more roads.
Wales is the pioneer here:
"all future roads must pass strict criteria [ . . . ] they must not increase the number of cars on the road"
www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-6464…
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Wales is the pioneer here:
"all future roads must pass strict criteria [ . . . ] they must not increase the number of cars on the road"
www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-6464…
♲ spore.social/@PeterRu/10988617…
