Dan LykeFeb 10, 2023
Stop asking how the poor are going to get to work without cars, and start asking why the rich won't let the poor live close to their jobs.
Show threadFrans Veldman ⁱ ᵃᵐ ᵃⁿᵗⁱᶠᵃ🚩Feb 10, 2023

Maybe the/some poor have some other preferences than living close to their jobs?

The next thing we would be hearing is that the poor remain in an unfavorable/bad paying job, because otherwise they have to relocate once again, which would upset the social life of their family.

The solution to the car problem is not to dictate where people have to live, but to facilitate more and better public transport.

Show threadDan LykeFeb 10, 2023

@FransVeldman mmmaybe, though my particular issue that spawned this is more of Marin and Sonoma County lobbying for more highway lanes while fighting like hell any attempts to build dense walkable housing that might make those areas affordable.

It's pretty much explicitly a "keep the poors out" set of policies, designed to make service workers commute.

Show threadSamhain NightFeb 11, 2023
@danlyke @FransVeldman A friend of mine pointed out that commuting from bedroom communities in Sonoma to get to Marin and the City for work wouldn’t be a problem if we simply decentralized big business and had them spread out to places like Sonoma, Napa and what not rather than having them concentrated in one area.
Show threadDan Lyke
@samhainnight @FransVeldman yep. Although, Petaluma has 20k people commute out every day, and 20k people commute in. I believe that most of those are income and skills mismatches, and if we had more lower income housing here we could have a lot fewer commuting in.
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Show threadSamhain NightFeb 11, 2023
@danlyke @FransVeldman True. It needs to be addressed on both ends. I know of people who live in Ukiah (more affordable housing but few jobs) who commute to the mall in Petaluma because that’s where the jobs are. Ukiah could really use business investments, too.
Show threadDan LykeFeb 11, 2023
@samhainnight yep. Adding lanes to 101 so people can commute in from Ukiah vs adding housing in Petaluma should be a no brainier, but here we are, making it all worse.