Super Mecha DadFeb 10, 2023
Cory Doctorow

> Luddites were demanding the use of state violence to ensure their obsolete professions were protected.

Tell me you know NOTHING about Luddites without etc etc.

The Luddites demands were enforcement of stocking-frame-era laws about phased introduction of automation.

Parliament ignored them, and instead imposed the DEATH PENALTY for "taking an oath" against automation.

Tell me again who was using "state violence?"

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Ellis Wyatt (@[email protected])

@[email protected] @[email protected] Luddites were demanding the use of state violence to ensure their obsolete professions were protected. As a result of their loss, fabrics and the like are far cheaper in terms of average hours worked to pay for them, than they were. The same goes for any time a labour saving tool is used to displace outmoded techniques. And in spite of all that, there are more people employed today than ever in history. Labour saving tools merely freed up labour for other tasks.

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Show threadideaPDishFeb 9, 2023

@pluralistic
I often confuse luddites with saboteurs.

Is it that saboteurs threw their wooden shoes into the gears of machines, where Luddites used monkey wrenches?

Show threadMarc ReeveFeb 10, 2023
@ipd @pluralistic arson, mostly.
Show threadzBradBellFeb 9, 2023
@pluralistic finally found an instance to block, once I figure out how
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@pluralistic found it. Trivial from browser, but standard iOS app doesn’t seem to have it.
Show threadiweinFeb 10, 2023
@pluralistic also super interesting to see that resistance of automation is that old, and that violently repressed. It's no secret that all states are violent to this day. But I'm more curious how we can stop it and make a better world _without_ violence