Discovered during the week I was unable to access a Kindle book purchased in 2013. Reason? The order was “too old”, and refund issued to buy again. Which was pointless as the book is now more expensive than when I bought it.

Subsequently discovered 66(!!) other ebooks no longer available for download.

Currently 40 minutes in to a support chat with Amazon.

About to learn, I think, whether we purchase ebooks, or rent them…

[Edit: documenting progress in this thread https://mastodon.online/@monro/109812445178130161]

Rick Monro (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 image The problem first appeared last week, when I attempted to open a book on my Kindle. The book cover appeared in my Library as normal. When I tapped on it, the following message appeared:

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Thanks for all of the interest in this. The response has been overwhelming, and I won't be able to reply to everyone individually.

So here is a thread of exactly what happened (illustrated!), and I'll keep it updated.

The problem first appeared last week, when I attempted to open a book on my Kindle.

The book cover appeared in my Library as normal.

When I tapped on it, the following message appeared:

I contacted Customer Support via chat. This is the key part of that conversation:

I then checked through my Kindle and found quite a number of books that generated the same error.

Then, I checked my order history and found other books I had forgotten about, but did not even appear on my Kindle.

The original orders still exist for all of them in my Order History. However, many of them are not available in my Digital Content Library.

The books are still available on Amazon (i.e. they have not been withdrawn by publishers or authors).

The total is 66 ebooks.

Once I discovered this, I contacted Customer Support again. This was a long and comprehensive chat, trying out many different options for recovering the books, synching etc.

The result was this:

I have trawled my order history and have the Order Num for all of the missing books.

My next step is to go through this process for maybe 5 books, and gauge how practical it is going to go through the process for every one.

It's frustrating of course, but I am not angry at the Support folks (who undoubtedly have been doing the best they can), or publishers, or the authors.

It looks like these books have fallen between the cracks of the Kindle ecosystem somehow.

I have successfully re-purchased, and had a full refund for, the book I first noticed was missing.

The process took 8 minutes, between buying the book, logging in to chat again, and detailing the issue.

Just 65 other books to go! No doubt there will be efficiencies if I purchase batches of books. But realistically there are several hours ahead to get through this.

[Edit: I was informed in a subsequent chat that there was no refund - see attachment]

New twist!

I returned to customer support to claim refunds for more books.

Now I'm being told that if I get a refund for an item, it will no longer be available to me.

I tried it out.

I purchased a book, referenced the order number into the chat, and I was refunded.

The book immediately disappeared again from my Kindle.

This completely contradicts the advice I was given over the last two days.

And that book I got back yesterday? It turns out it wasn't refunded. Which is why I still have it.

Also, I received this friendly advice for how to get a refund on my (twice purchased) ebooks.

Still no no books (from the missing set), and no answers.

This is shaping up to be a protracted, frustrating, but ultimately boring customer service issue.

For anyone still reading, I'm going to stop the updates at this point. I'll maybe add one further toot with anything conclusive, one way or the other.

@monro I’ll have to remember to look at DRM free options in future.

Some Apple Books ebooks are DRM free at the request of the publishers. But I’ve never tried to get the epub file to open somewhere else to test if they are DRM free.

@ianRobinson I'm certain there is a simple, technical reason for all this. Amazon are making me feel like I'm trying to hoodwink them.

Also I don't like whinging on SM, but this is crazy.

@monro I'm only still with Amazon due to Prime Video. And the ease of ordering and getting physical goods. Their distribution network is a crown jewel. As is the Mrs Maisel show!
@ianRobinson Mrs M still on the backlog on your recommendation!
@monro this is driving me insane just reading this. I only have a handful of kindle books and I’m already looking for alternatives!
@ThePaulMcBride Apologies for the soap opera! At some point I will just throw in the towel 😩
@monro would you mind if I shared this thread on HackerNews or have your mentions already become too much of a sewer?

@ThePaulMcBride It’s overwhelming tbh Paul, I’m going to opt out of any public escalations.

I don’t buy into any of the sinister interpretations of this. There’s going to be a simple technical reason for it but BOY are Amazon making it as painful as possible

@monro yeah, I totally respect that. I agree this isn’t likely sinister it’s just insane that the burden of fixing it is yours!
@monro @ThePaulMcBride You know who might be interested in hearing about this, if you have any way to do it? The authors! I suspect they would be horrified by the notion that someone who took the time to purchase their content would suddenly find out that they don't have access to what they purchased.
@monro ....Twilight Ama-Zone? These clowns are just stealing people's money!
@monro That sounds like fraud.