JenniferplusplusFeb 5, 2023

We have layoffs for exactly the same reason we have homelessness. Both are expensive, harmful, and unnecessary. Both are sustained anyway because capitalism requires that work is compulsory. Both exist to be used as a threat to compel work and deference from workers.

So, I don't know. Keep writing papers and articles about the real effects of layoffs, I guess. But please understand that you'll never convince boards and CEOs to stop doing them, because the harm of layoffs is the desired outcome. So make your audience the people who've been taken in by their lies, and the people who should be protecting us from them.

Show threadLuke MacNeilFeb 5, 2023

@jenniferplusplus If you're hired by a company to do a job are you then entitled to work for that employer for decades until you decide you're ready to move on?

Would it be better if they just fire everyone randomly with no severance?

Many of these layoffs with their sizable severance packages don't really seem to be the humanitarian disaster they're made out to be in my eyes.

Would it be fair that you can quit at any time for any reason, but they can't ever quit you?

Show threadJenniferplusplusFeb 5, 2023
@luke in your fantasy land, is my shelter and health care still conditioned on me working?
Show threadLuke MacNeilFeb 5, 2023

@jenniferplusplus
I am sorry people lost their jobs. It is a bummer.

But it happens, and in this particular instance - there are more jobs.

It's not exactly depression-era conditions in the job market, nor are we living in times of indentured servitude in which the Corporation would be responsible for your housing and healthcare in exchange for slavery.

The jobs were cut and people were given a reasonable buffer to find new work and even relocate if necessary.

That's pretty fair.

Show threadJenniferplusplusFeb 5, 2023
@luke fairness is not a useful framework for this subject.
Show threadLuke MacNeil

@jenniferplusplus is law a useful framework for this subject? As far as I can tell, none were violated.

What would be a useful framework for the subject?

Would the utopian ideal of a socialistic society be a good framework? Maybe, but that would you be your fantasy land, not mine.

Feb 5, 2023 at 9:30pmWeb
Show threadJenniferplusplusFeb 5, 2023

@luke I presented a framework right there in my first post. In case you missed it, here it is: capitalists are engaged in open and violent class warfare. I said what I meant, and I think you should too.

You are busily defending them, and I'm not interested in helping you do that.

Show threadLuke MacNeilFeb 5, 2023

@jenniferplusplus oh ok then. Fight the power.

I hope that someday you can find a workplace that will never let you go, no matter what happens in the global economy... as is your inalienable right.

Have a great day.