JenniferplusplusFeb 5, 2023

We have layoffs for exactly the same reason we have homelessness. Both are expensive, harmful, and unnecessary. Both are sustained anyway because capitalism requires that work is compulsory. Both exist to be used as a threat to compel work and deference from workers.

So, I don't know. Keep writing papers and articles about the real effects of layoffs, I guess. But please understand that you'll never convince boards and CEOs to stop doing them, because the harm of layoffs is the desired outcome. So make your audience the people who've been taken in by their lies, and the people who should be protecting us from them.

Show threadLuke MacNeilFeb 5, 2023

@jenniferplusplus If you're hired by a company to do a job are you then entitled to work for that employer for decades until you decide you're ready to move on?

Would it be better if they just fire everyone randomly with no severance?

Many of these layoffs with their sizable severance packages don't really seem to be the humanitarian disaster they're made out to be in my eyes.

Would it be fair that you can quit at any time for any reason, but they can't ever quit you?

Show threadAuthorGoddess

@luke @jenniferplusplus

This is the "but without workplace harassments, how can I date a woman?" argument. The fact that there are nuances to the situation doesn't prove the statement wrong. It proves which side you're on.

Feb 5, 2023 at 9:24pmWeb
Show threadLuke MacNeilFeb 5, 2023

@AuthorGoddess @jenniferplusplus it's nothing like that at all, I'm very much on the side of the worker in most instances.

Not this one though.

Just because you work for a company doesn't entitle you to work for the company forever.

They don't owe you housing for your entire life.

They needed 25 coders while they were growing and business was good. They don't while the entire global economy is consolidating.

That's not evil. That's common business sense.

I'm ex-salesforce.

Show threadAuthorGoddessFeb 5, 2023
@luke @jenniferplusplus
Go ahead. Double down on your hyperbolic response. And don't think I don't see your "but *I* don't see/experience it" argument against very common workplace harassment.
*judging stare*
Show threadLuke MacNeilFeb 5, 2023
@AuthorGoddess @jenniferplusplus ok. Double down on not making any sense or adding anything to the conversation.
Show threadAuthorGoddessFeb 5, 2023
@luke @jenniferplusplus
Yes, you did do that.
Show threadLuke MacNeilFeb 5, 2023

@AuthorGoddess @jenniferplusplus except I didn't. I made perfect sense and laid out a completely reasonable argument.

You just didn't agree so you turned it into some other injustice you see in the workplace and categorized me as a mysoginistic republican MAGA POS.

It's just not the case. All I did was present an opposing point of view of the recent mass layoffs.

I'm not wrong about it either.

Show threadLuke MacNeilFeb 5, 2023

@AuthorGoddess @jenniferplusplus also the "without workplace harrasments" argument is one I've never heard by anyone in my entire life.

All conventional wisdom I have ever heard or learned or given points to "no, you don't shit where you eat".

Literally nobody thinks "oh, well who can I date at work". Sometimes it happens anyway, but every living human knows better.